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  • 1

    Interview: Jan 25th, 2005

    Week 10 Question

    Now that Shadar Logoth is gone, (cool way to get rid of it by the way), has the evil power in Padan Fain/Mordeth/the Ruby Dagger decreased any? Has it driven him even more insane? Or since the next book is called Knife of Dreams, will all these questions be answered in it?

    Robert Jordan

    The evil power in Padan Fain has neither decreased nor increased, nor has that in the dagger. The corruption in him was partly caused by the taint on Shadar Logoth, but it didn't constitute a real connection to the city. Remember that it was because he was Padan Fain, the Hound of the Shadow, that he was able to leave Shadar Logoth in his new condition after he merged with/absorbed Mordeth. (By the way, any other artifacts that might be lying around from Shadar Logoth would have the same long-term corrupting effect as the dagger. Fortunately, or unfortunately, any such thing would need to be metal or stone. The wood and fabric had decayed. It wouldn't have been pleasant to get a splinter from, say, a chair from Shadar Logoth.)

    The destruction of Shadar Logoth has not driven Fain any more insane. I'm not certain he'd be able to function at all if he were any madder than he already is. But being insane doesn't make him any less dangerous, only less predictable. He no longer responds to situations or events in any sort of sane, logical manner. His abiding concerns are hatred of Rand al'Thor (and to a lesser degree Mat and Perrin) because he blames them for what the Dark One did to him in order to turn him into the Shadow's Hound, and hatred for the Dark One because of what the Dark One did to him. He goes after Rand because Rand is the easiest target in his mind, but if he can take a swipe at the Dark One or the Dark One's minions in some way that he felt would cause real harm, he'd leap at it.

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  • 2

    Interview: Jan 25th, 2005

    Week 15 Question

    At the risk of being RAFO'd: Mesaana was punished for ignoring her orders to go to stop Rand from cleansing saidin. Was Semirhage also punished for ignoring orders, or did she have special exemption? (If you're going to RAFO us, consider giving us some other little tidbit instead?)

    Robert Jordan

    Semirhage was present at Shadar Logoth, though not seen. You didn't see Graendal, either, though admittedly Moghedien thought of her, thinking it would be good if she or Cyndane died. If I always tried to show everyone who was present at a battle or the like, the books would be a LOT longer than they are now. And those battles would get rather boring, a list of names. Go down the checklist and make sure everyone gets mentioned. Boring. Anyway, Mesaana was the only one who tried to sit it out. By the way, Moridin also was not present, for reasons that will become self-evident as you read on.

    By the by, Rand and his companions very likely would have been killed or captured if the Forsaken were not who they are, if they had been willing to form links and coordinate their attacks. But they suffer from a combination of arrogance toward the "ignorant peasants" of the current Age and distrust of one another. Forming a link is all very well, but who leads? Which of them would be willing to give up control over their own ability and put it completely under the control of another of them? Who are you willing to let get behind your back in a fight? Moghedien? Semirhage? I didn't think so.

    Footnote

    We did see Graendal at the Cleansing, actually; Verin's group encountered her. As for the 'self-evident' reasons why Moridin was not there, it likely has to do with the sickness caused by his link with Rand (we saw in Knife of Dreams that Moridin also suffers from it). Short of that, it almost surely has something to do with the link between them.

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  • 3

    Interview: Oct 17th, 1994

    Question

    The dagger—could Mat have chosen anything else?

    Robert Jordan

    Yes, but he wouldn't be Mat then, would he? A dagger would attract him more than a chalice or whatever. It's easy to stick it in the belt.

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  • 4

    Interview: 2010

    Azral Hanan (31 July 2010)

    How does Hatred turn into a blood-sucking mist that destroys energies derived from the Dark One? Will we get a detailed explanation?

    AZRAL HANAN

    Also, will we get a glimpse or further details and explanation on Mordeth's 'unnatural' assassins?

    Brandon Sanderson (31 July 2010)

    This is not something I'm at liberty to explain. I'll suggest it for the Encyclopedia.

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  • 5

    Interview: 2011

    Twitter 2011 (WoT) (Verbatim)

    Brandon Sanderson (6 January 2011)

    Amusingly, as a young man, I was annoyed at Nynaeve and Moiraine. But I didn't bat an eye when the boys ran off alone in Shadar Logoth.

    KAT R

    How old were you when you first started reading WoT books?

    BRANDON SANDERSON

    14 or 15. It was right around my birthday, so I don't know if it was before or after.

    BRANDON SANDERSON

    Speaking of Shadar Logoth, Harriet tells a story involving it. Tor wanted to print small teasers of The Eye of the World to distribute and hook folks.

    BRANDON SANDERSON

    Harriet, the editor, insisted that the booklets go all the way to Shadar Logoth. She thought that would be sure to draw people in.

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  • 6

    Interview: 2011

    Twitter 2011 (WoT) (Verbatim)

    Terez (7 January 2011)

    In The Eye of the World chapter 19, is Mordeth's body an illusion? Does this foreshadow Fain's powers in Winter's Heart and Towers of Midnight?

    Brandon Sanderson (7 January 2011)

    Mordeth's body is more than an illusion. But you could call it less than real.

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  • 7

    Interview: Jun 27th, 1996

    AOL Chat 1 (Verbatim)

    DaveB62

    How do you explain Liah being in Shadar Logoth for so long?

    Robert Jordan

    She became absorbed into the city. She was left there and she is, after all, a Aiel, one of the people better at surviving under harsh circumstances than anyone else in the world. And also her corruption by Shadar Logoth gave her some protection.

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  • 8

    Interview: Aug 23rd, 1996

    Robert Jordan

    Everyone in Shadar Logoth killed each other (blows away the 'Mashadar is the souls of the people of Shadar Logoth' theory).

    Mashadar occurred after everyone in Shadar Logoth was dead.

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  • 9

    Interview: Nov 10th, 2000

    Brandon Downey

    After that, my friend got to ask his question, which was the one about Machin Shin and the Ways.

    QUESTION

    Is Machin Shin a result of the Dark One's taint on saidin being used in the creation of the Ways, or a result of some portion of the corruption of Shadar Logoth creeping into the Ways via the Waygate there? Or is it something completely orthogonal to both these powers, merely being a parasite that showed up once the place began to grow dim?

    Robert Jordan

    "Machin Shin is a function of the Dark One's taint on the male side of the force... er...source" [we all chuckled, and he mentioned how much he'd been traveling. :)] The corruption on Shadar Logoth is a result of an evil specifically designed to combat the Dark One's taint. This is why Rand experiences a resonance while channeling in Shadar Logoth—the Dark One's taint is reacting to the corruption of Shadar Logoth.

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  • 10

    Interview: Nov 14th, 2000

    SciFi.com Chat (Verbatim)

    Nevik

    Can you give some more details on how the taint was cleansed? I was sort of confused reading the book.

    Robert Jordan

    Sorry...I can't.

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  • 11

    Interview: Dec 12th, 2000

    CNN Chat (Verbatim)

    Arsolos

    It has been reported that you have confirmed that Sammael died at the end of A Crown of Swords. Could you confirm that you have said this and elaborate on whether Rand was correct?

    Robert Jordan

    Mashadar killed Sammael. Sammael is toast!

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  • 12

    Interview: Apr 4th, 2001

    Isabel

    Can you give some more details on how the taint was cleansed? I was sort of confused reading the book.

    Robert Jordan

    You don't think it's obvious? Err, let's see. You have... You're using both repulsion and attraction of opposites here. Repulsion of things that are opposite and [attraction] of things that are the same. The Taint upon [saidin] as versus the conduit, which is made of saidar through which the saidin passes. The saidin and saidar, as men and women, are in many ways opposite. It repels one another. It is safe to make this conduit of saidar between saidin and Shadar Logoth, because there can be no mixing. As the eh... as [saidin] passes through, as the taint passes through, the saidar actually repels it, pushes it away from [saidin]..., alright?

    Now, you have a taint on... the eh Source, the male half of the Source, you have the taint on Shadar Logoth. They're not the same, yet they are. The taint on Shadar Logoth did not come from the Dark One. The taint was created by humans, who believed that they must do whatever was necessary, anything that was necessary to defeat the Shadow. And because they would accept no limits to what they would do, to what could be done, to what needed to be done, they created their own destruction. Their evil is, or was, as great as that of the Dark One, but diametrically opposite. It is an evil created for the best of intentions, created for good intentions. So it is the opposite. So, this attraction created the conduit begins to pull the taint from [saidin] to siphon it off. Remember, it's always been described it's not as mixed all through [saidin], it is like a thin skin of rancidness, think of a thin skin of rancid oil floating on a pond, and if you get through it, you've got clean water, but you can't get through it without putting your hand in that oil. You're getting it on your hand...

    To attract one another because they are opposites, but because even being opposite, they have gone far enough around the circle, they act to destroy one another. You see, it's not opposites along a straight line. We're actually talking opposites along a circle. Continuing the motif of the Wheel of Time, if you will. So you've got two things that are both opposites and the same. [He's been waving his hands in the air for this. Hands far apart for the straight line versus hands together, making a circle and coming together again] That will both attract one another and negate one another.

    Do you understand better now?

    Isabel

    Yes, thank you.

    Robert Jordan

    Oh, and one last point: It's all imaginary my dear...

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  • 13

    Interview: Apr 8th, 2001

    Isabel

    Can you tell me something more about how the taint was cleansed?

    Robert Jordan

    Shadar Logoth and the taint destroyed each other. -> Taint is destroyed.

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  • 14

    Interview: Jan 18th, 2003

    Imran Safdar

    The first question was if Jordan intended to kill Sammael at the end of A Crown of Swords or if he decided later on that the character was no longer needed and was in fact dead.

    Robert Jordan

    Jordan responded that Sammael was dead as of the end of A Crown of Swords. Jordan felt that the character was a "louse" and didn't deserve a dramatic death a la Rahvin or Be'lal. He deserved a very vague death and was killed by something that he didn't pay attention to.

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  • 15

    Interview: Jan 18th, 2003

    Robert Jordan

    He had always planned on killing Sammael per Mashadar; his death was not determined after the ambiguous ending of that book. RJ said something along the lines of, "Yes, I know it wasn't with trumpets and fanfare [referring to Sammael's death]; but he deserved it. He was a louse, and he got a louse's death. He was killed by an enemy he wasn't paying attention to. He lived like a louse, and he died like a louse."

    Tallis

    Yes, he said "louse" that many times, if not more. You'd think Sammael had personally wronged RJ, sheesh—he sounded pretty impassioned. Then again, it could simply be his exasperation with people refusing to accept that Sammael died.

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  • 16

    Interview: Sep 2nd, 2005

    Isabel

    A question from me again (sometimes me with my horrible accent has to repeat the question a few times, for him to get it). Although if I remember correctly it was Aan'allein's question.

    How did Aginor manage to sense the Shadar Logoth dagger in the The Eye of the World?

    Robert Jordan

    That has to do with the end of Winter's Heart. How many of you have read it?

    (everyone but one raising their hands; well at least after asking who has not read it)

    It's an effect of resonance. The dagger is the same evil as the evil of Shadar Logoth. You can say it's diametrically opposite to the taint, that's the evil on saidin. Rand, at one point in Shadar Logoth, feels them pulsing with each other. And especially in the wounds on his side. There is a resonance created. A positive and negative pulse of evil, you might say.

    Isabel

    So it doesn't require actual channeling?

    Robert Jordan

    No, but you have to be close to it. It's not something you can sense from a close distance use to track Padan Fain down.

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  • 17

    Interview: Sep 2nd, 2005

    Question

    In The Great Hunt when Rand, Mat and Perrin are trying to enter the Ways, Machin Shin is waiting there for them. It seems like Padan Fain has been waiting there for them. Is Machin Shin in any way related to the evil of Shadar Logoth?

    Robert Jordan

    In some ways. Machin Shin is linked or you might say drawn to that. It's not a matter of linked, but more attracted by. In much the same ways as I spoke about the evils being attracted to one another due to opposite polarities. (Shadar Logoth and the taint)

    In the same way there is an attraction because Machin Shin was created in effect by the taint. It grew out. You can see is at a fungus that was constructed with the wrong type of materials. If you think about it as that way you get a more idea about its true nature.

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  • 18

    Interview: Sep 2nd, 2005

    Question

    I was wondering, how did Rand stop the taint by channeling at Shadar Logoth because you said the taint and the evil at Shadar Logoth are different. Also, because Shadar Logoth came well after the taint, was there any way to stop it?

    Robert Jordan

    No, there was no way to stop it or make it weaker (the Shadar Logoth evil). But when Rand made the conduit, they were attracted to each other due to opposite polarities, and they were attracted to each other and destroyed each other because of those differences, and it created a huge explosion.

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  • 19

    Interview: Sep 4th, 2005

    Isabel

    When Mat had the dagger, Verin and Moiraine thought he would contaminate other people with the evil of Shadar Logoth, and they would contaminate other people. Fain does seem to be influencing without contaminating people. Is it as dangerous as it seems, could also normal people become evil and would they also contaminate other people?

    Robert Jordan

    No. Fain can contaminate people because he has the dagger; it is the dagger. What Verin and Moiraine thought was incorrect; they were extending it too far. It is the one of things you may have noted in the books. Aes Sedai often believe they know more than they actually know. In other words, a lot of people believe they know more than they actually know. One of the themes I have running through the books is that whatever you think you know, some of it is almost certainly wrong, and it may even be the most crucial bit that is wrong. But even when you are aware that some of your information may be wrong you still have to go ahead and make a decision. You...you cannot afford the luxury of saying, well I don't know everything and some of what I know may be wrong, so I am not going to do anything, I am just going to sit here and wait and see if I can find out some more, because that only leads to sitting still forever.

    Footnote

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  • 20

    Interview: Oct 4th, 2005

    Robert Jordan

    For foxhead, I think you'll find this covered elsewhere, but here goes. The evil of Shadar Logoth and the evil of the Shadow might be considered positive and negative poles. They attract, as do the positive and negative poles of two magnets, but if they make contact, the result is more like making contact between the positive and negative poles of your car battery. Big sparks. Really big sparks.

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  • 21

    Interview: Nov 11th, 2009

    Question

    Will Fain be in the next book?

    Brandon Sanderson

    Padan Fain will be seen again. He's a mixture of two things—Mordeth's power, which he got by seeking out all of the evil things that weren't related to the Shadow, and the Dark One's Hound. Brandon said that Fain's number one goal is to kill Rand, and a close second is to kill the Dark One. Now that Shadar Logoth has been destroyed, all of the Mordeth power that remains in the world is in Fain.

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  • 22

    Interview: Nov 11th, 2009

    Question

    It's pretty clear now that Moridin and Rand are linked because of the balefire incident. Since Rand used saidin to create the balefire, and now he gets sick when channeling saidin, does that mean Moridin gets sick when he tries to use the True Power?

    Brandon Sanderson

    You're assuming that Rand's channeling sickness comes from crossing the streams.

    Footnote

    From Knife of Dreams Chapter 21, "Within the Stone":

    The face of the man from Shadar Logoth floated in his head for a moment. He looked furious. And near to sicking up.

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  • 23

    Interview: Nov 21st, 2009

    Matt Hatch

    Ok. You mentioned that Mordeth was a man that had "power". You are reported as saying that his power was that "which he got by seeking out all of the evil things that weren’t related to the Shadow"...

    Brandon Sanderson

    He was seeking things that were related to the Shadow. I think that that might be a misquote. He was looking into the power of the Shadow in order to defeat it, was his goal. He was looking into everything. He was looking into things that were not necessarily related to the Dark One as well. He was looking for everything that he could get...

    Matt Hatch

    ..previous to him arriving to Aridhol?

    Brandon Sanderson

    ...Yeah...

    Matt Hatch

    ...before he went to the King and became the counselor, Mordeth was this guy that went around searching for Power?

    Brandon Sanderson

    Yeah, he wanted to defeat the Dark One and he felt that he could find other ways to do it [...] He originally was good. He did not...he wasn’t this terrible person to begin with but he was looking to defeat the Dark One, to find a way to defeat the Shadow. And he looked into a lot of things he shouldn’t have looked into. There are evils that are not necessarily directly related to the Dark One, though everything evil kind of has...just as there are goods that are not related necessarily to the One Power...we are talking much as Perrin runs with wolves. This is a thing older than...there are other evils things that are old in a similar way...

    Matt Hatch

    ...is the assumption then that he found one of these?

    Brandon Sanderson

    He did.

    Matt Hatch

    He found one or multiple?

    Brandon Sanderson

    He found many things of darkness. There is one in specific that is driving him but he knew too much. He found things he should not have gotten into and that is what turned him into...when he got there he was already corrupt. He still thought he was doing a good work. He still thought we are going to raise this Kingdom up and it is going to become this bastion against the Shadow, but he was already by then corrupted.

    Matt Hatch

    Is this same corrupting influence what corrupts everyone through the dagger itself?

    Brandon Sanderson

    Yeah. Through him, yes. And even through his presence.

    MATT HATCH

    [Hah—Maybe I should have asked if Mordeth was under the influence of the Finns...or at the very least if they were one of the powers he found in his quest... ]

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  • 24

    Interview: Nov 16th, 2009

    Brandon Sanderson

    Brandon also said that the Dark One would have liked very much to transmigrate Sammael but didn't. Apparently, since he died by Mashadar, Sammael was either unable to be transmigrated or it would have been a very bad idea. Basically, Mashadar tainted Sammael's thread somehow.

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  • 25

    Interview: Nov 15th, 2009

    Question

    Is Rand's access to the True Power via his link with Moridin, created at Shadar Logoth?

    Brandon Sanderson

    No one may channel the True Power without the Dark One's permission, and Rand doesn't have that.

    Footnote—Terez

    This answer was challenged by another person who was at the Q&A, though Freelancer said later his question was asked at the signing table. Link broken.

    Writo

    Oy,

    I was at that signing, I was literally right next to Brandon as he answered this question, and that is far from his exact wording.

    The response was more accurately something like: So far as we know, no one may channel the True Power without the Dark One's permission. Semirhage certainly seemed to think she was betrayed.

    There was never a comment about Rand not having permission.

    Footnote—Terez

    After this came to light, Matt Hatch asked Brandon about it, and he said that he never said Rand didn't have permission. Later I asked him if one normally has to visit Shayol Ghul to get permission, and he said yes. Freelancer responded thus:

    Freelancer

    Brandon's later answer has to take precedence. He says that he didn't specify directly whether Rand did or did not have the Dark One's permission. That is what everyone must operate by, as his word is now canon. That does not change what I wrote down as my questions were being answered.

    As to Writo's comments, I can only offer this. The comment by Brandon about Semirhage believing she had been betrayed was definitely in response to someone else's question. It did not come up with mine, but I do remember hearing it.

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  • 26

    Interview: Nov 4th, 2012

    Rebecca Lovatt

    In Lord of Chaos, there’s a point when Rand is in Shadar Logoth, and Lews Therin whispers to him "I must kill Demandred." Is there some sort of connection between Demandred and Shadar Logoth?

    Brandon Sanderson

    There may well be... I'm not sure if I can answer that question, so... RAFO.

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  • 27

    Interview: Feb 22nd, 2013

    Terez

    Fain says that the thinning of reality around Shayol Ghul would make it easier for him to anchor himself there, and Dom wants to know if the proximity of the Tower of Ghenjei had anything to do with the fate of Aridhol.

    Brandon Sanderson

    I honestly don't know. That would make logical sense...

    Terez

    Yeah, it would...

    Brandon Sanderson

    But...we could look in the notes. That's one I suspect is not in there.

    Terez

    Okay.

    Brandon Sanderson

    But you can say there's a good chance that's the sort of thing that would make sense...

    Terez

    Yeah, okay.

    Brandon Sanderson

    Good question.

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  • 28

    Interview: Feb 22nd, 2013

    Terez

    Um, was there any connection between Mat's luck and the dagger?

    Brandon Sanderson

    Um, not that I know of. Good question, but we can MAFO that one, but you can give the, "not that I know of". I'm still kind of...you know, the Mat's luck being beyond him being ta'veren, is one that's very interesting to me, because everything that I know says that his luck does extend beyond his ta'verenness, but...

    Terez

    Well, it's like his whole plotline seems kinda designed as like this revenge story for Manetheren against Aridhol, you know?

    Brandon Sanderson

    Yeah, uh-huh. Yep.

    Terez

    And, you know, he starts speaking the Old Tongue right before they go into Shadar Logoth; that's the first time he speaks it...

    Brandon Sanderson

    Uh-huh. Yep.

    Terez

    ...you know, and then as soon as he wakes up from the Healing, he's got memories, he's got this luck, you know?

    Brandon Sanderson

    Yeah. Mmmhmm.

    Terez

    So...yeah.

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  • 29

    Interview: Apr, 2013

    Question

    In Lord of Chaos, ch 21, "To Shadar Logoth", Lews Therin whispers to Rand: "There is darkness here. Blackness blacker than black. If the Dark One chose to live among men, he would choose here" and then "I must kill Demandred" to which Rand responds "Does Demandred have some connection to Shadar Logoth?" And Lews Therin says nothing. So...does he? Or is it alluding to the possibility that Barid Bel went seeking a way to defeat the Shadow which ended up in corrupting him in the same way Mordeth was corrupted?

    Maria Simons

    I can find nothing relating Demandred to Shadar Logoth; note that after the Demandred bit, Lews Therin starts talking about Ishamael and Lanfear, and doesn't appear to be answering Rand's questions at all. I think that it's safe to assume that Lews Therin is just rambling insanely.

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  • 30

    Interview: Apr 20th, 2013

    Terez

    Why does Mordeth suddenly fall back in the room under Shadar Logoth (in The Eye of the World)? Was it because Mat picked up the dagger, or was it something different?

    Maria Simons

    I don't know.

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