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he Creator as Gardener

by a dragonburned fool: 2003-11-25 | Not yet rated

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RJ said that his books are describing a battle between good and evil. DO is without any doubt an Evil deserving the capital 'E'. But what about the Good in the so respected by RJ balance? In which sense He is to be good, why is He to be the counterpart of the DO? He doesn't take part in the world, He doesn't hear the prayers even of good peoples, it's absurd to expect a miracle from Him, He has nothing to do with the world after creating it. And how could be named "good" somebody taking no care for anything what we know?

We see in the series a cosmic, could we say - a supernatural resistance to the acts of the DO; but that's not the Creator, but the Wheel, a kind of an ambivalent machine. Even the Creator's champion as ta'veren is in the world as part of the Wheel's program. Yes, it's created by the Creator to be such, but the goodness is not a part of it. Where is it then? Somebody's goodness is manifested only in the way of his/her approach to the others. And how the Creator is threatening the world and the humans?

The answer is given IMO in a metaphor from CoT ch.24, where the Creator is compared with a "gardener". It's the only metaphor for Him IIRC in the series except the name "Creator" itself and the "Light" what is to be regarded as His main attribute, but is never directly assigned to Him. And a divine being like the Creator could be described only by metaphors. The choice of metaphors for describing a god, the common metaphors for Him, are one of the most important sources of information about His profile. And the gardener-metaphor is not an accidental one. It appears namely by an attempt of describing the Creator's viewpoint to the fate of the world.

I'm sorry for not giving the quote, I have not the english text with me, but it's in the scene of Rand's dialogue with Logain, after Logain telling Rand about Taim. Rand is wondering about Logain thinking, it's the Creator's mercy, what cleansed saidin. And now the reason for any miracle being absurd: the Creator created the world and left it to humans to make it in a paradise or a hell; the Creator created countless worlds, watched them flourishing or failing and is creating new and new worlds; and He never cry about the failed ones, because a gardener doesn't cry about every dead flower. Rand is surprised by thinking so about the Creator, he's hearing LTT agreeing with this words as to another one's words, Rand decides it's from his experience with LTT's voice. Now what we have from this scene?

It's something, what an excellent educated non-Forsaken man from AoL regarded as obvious truth. And the gardener-metaphor is used to make it even more obvious, as an explanation for common humans. At least in AoL it was common to think about the Creator if not like above, but at least in the image of a gardener. And I think it most likely the westlanders from 3Age regarding the Creator also as a gardener, because 1. it's Rand's thought 2. concerning the ununderstanding of people from today, therefore as an explanation will be used something everyone will regard as unquestionable, the first to be thought by everyone about the Creator.

The Creator not take part in the world is a widespread conception in Europe in the earliest modern times, known as "deism", and IIRC RJ said he used the deist conceptions by creating the WoT philosophy. But the deists prefered to use another metaphors for God - an architect or a clockmaster. And the difference is in the relations of the God to the world. The deist world is a machine, human beings and circumstances in their life are details in that machine, they have only to work correctly and everything is to be good. The description of the Wheel are very close to that, with the exception that in the deist theology there is no place for a DO. And if there is a DO in a clockwork-world, the clockmaster will find a proper time (of course not to be understanded by the inhabitants of the clock why not earlier or later, but a certain time) to fix it, and inside the world it would be felt as a radical miracle of the kind Logain expecting. But a gardener doesn't fix his creature, he's intervening in another way. And the damaged creature is also damaged in another way - not out of order, but ill, infected, suffering. It's not to be corrected by direct fixing, but by indirect care as irrigation, dunging and similar things not to be noticed inside the world. Or if a plant or it's part is grown really wrong, it's to be cutted away - the only direct way of an intervention for a gardener. Isn't it a good reason for the Light's champion being not a builder but a destroyer? At least, if the Creator would take part, it would be not a pleasant thing for the damaged world. In some sense the not taking part is Creator's mercy.

But what's good in all this? The answer is in the meaning of the "gardener" role in the series. What is the first association for a WoT-reader with the word "gardener"? The Ogier. The Nym could be placed in the same cathegory (Nyms are constructs, Ogier not, but their meaning, their place in WoT-world is the same). And there is nothing closer to good in the series then the Ogier and Nym. I mean not only isolated cases of good, but a living complex system, where the good is dominant. It's the best model of living good in what RJ created. Of course not a complete model, but enough for foguring out, what "the Good" has to be. The Ogiers are oficially named "brothers to the trees" and they behave respectively. But could the trees theirselves recognize the brother-feelings of the Ogier? In some way yes (as in treesongs), but not in the way a sential being could recognize somebody acting like a brother. Ogiers are not like the Ents from LotR treeherds, they don't listen to the trees, they only cultivate them.
There is no communication between the trees and their brothers. Ogiers take care to provide the best condition to the plant, but it's the plant's work to grow in what it can. The plants are doing their job and the Ogiers their, only the result is common. Loial said the tree in the Mirror world "wanted" to become a weapon, and he did intervened, but he made it by stimulating growth in the form of some self-rebuilding of the tree. It's more similar to the change of a ta'veren's life, then to a miracle (the ta'veren is not Creator's work, but the Wheel's, but there is such kind of supernatural effect in WoT, so it's the most likely model for eventual Creators actions). Ogiers act by harmonizing plants between them and by delicately stimulating their natural growth. Delicately, i.e. not to be recognized by the objects, because the plants haven't the mind for it, but if the Creator regards people as plants, maybe humans haven't the specific sense to recognize the Creator's interventions. But the Ogier are intervening much more in their steddings then what we have seen about Creator's ignorance to the world's fate. The Nym intervene even more, and Nym are more gardeners then the Ogiers.

But a Nym tells something more about. In TEotW the Green Man said, that the Creator wanted everything to stay where planted and to come up bravely against any troubles the Wheel could give (but the Creator would have no objections against some little help from the Nym). Bearing everything is more appropriate to say about sential beings then about plants. But at least in AoL the plants are commonly regarded as bravely bearing any trouble, from where else the name of the path of the leaf may come from? (And back from this theory to the path of the leaf: the bearing everything will be the most important thing in it, and the pacifism only means for it, but it's clearer as a doctrine and that, combined with the memories about the no-war AoL old times, made it known as the essence of the Path. That's because the first Tinkers are regarded by the da'shain as Lost with no difference to algaid'siswai; the Tinkers would be in some way heretics of the Path by changing their objectives because of troubles.) The Creator wants to grow up troubles-resistant creatures, or in other words, experienced in their good will creatures, good by their own will, not only because of circumstances. The creator is breeding strong wills combined with goodness, standalone good beings. If that's right, there must be something in the WoT universe about saints, and I don't find any hints about, except the plenty of strong characters in the series. Maybe it's something like step by step breeding process - taste for peaceful well-organized life in 2Age, strong will in 3Age, another virtues in 4Age etc. (And the seven Ages are some sort of seasons cycle). The plenty of the worlds the Creator created is another point for Him threatening the Creature as a breeding pen, without the possibility of one-on-one communication between Creator and creature, with the care of the Creator on a level unrecognizible by humans, and wit the threaten of destroying and isolating the world if going too bad.
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Tamyrlin: 2003-12-03

I think the problem might be in the metaphor of balance between the two forces. What equates to balance, when all of the Creator's creations are taken into account? Is it balance between good and evil, for each world, or is it a balance of power between the two forces across the measure of all creation in all places? If a balance must be maintained, then any change for the good will cause an equal change for the bad, given time. So, direct intervention on the part of the Creator might create greater problems. I assume this is why the DO wants to destroy the Wheel, the Pattern, because the Pattern is a control mechanism that, when the DO gets more power, immediately prepares to balance the wheel by sending in reinforcements. In the same manner, the Creator must avoid direct intervention, so as to not create a great imbalance for good. That is my take on it.

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Anubis: 2003-12-03

a nice theory and an interesting read. two minor points tho. The thought about the creator being a gardener is not rands, and is apparently not lews therins as well. Also ogier do have some communication with the trees, at least the treesingers like Loial do. In TGH Loial says that the tree was glad a weapon was made, so there is communication on some level.

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free will: 2003-12-04

I like the discussion, but I think we are bandying word like Good and Evil around without defining it and because of this the discourse is not progressing.

Good = Balance

Evil = Dictatorship

I'll try to explain this better so it won't be so easily misunderstood. Hopefully the Evil part is well understood. Like an invasive plant destorying a garden, the blight overruns the earth. Like a dictatorship, the strong have dominion over the weak, a monolithic heirarchy with the DO at the apex. Death being rained down isn't considered bad (see flashbacks to the AoL Aiel), but the enslavement of the living is considered evil, as is the control of a soul after death of the body.

To understand good, you have to realize that this being has two properties, both that are hard for us to understand, he is the creatorof everything and he exists outside of space and time. And these are related. OK so first imagine the creator without a creation. Without a creation, no wheel, there is no time. As temporal beings this is hard to understand, but bear with me. The creator wanted to create time, without the wheel turning out the ages the creator has no sense of time. In this way the pattern nourishes the creator as a garden nourishes its patron. But what drives the wheel? Balance.

Organisms must die to make new life, this is balance. Circle of life, this is old hat to most people. This is NOT a good/evil balance. Evil is dominion and singularity. Evil is an immortal darkfriend denying his death and denying others their turn at the wheel. Evil is death that does not support life, like a Trolloc's lust for destruction. Evil is one group subgugating another. Good doesn't need to balance against evil. Good IS balance. Good is when Perrin says that somewhere the Tinkers should be able to follow the Way of the Leaf while at the same time allowing Aram to pick up a sword. Good is seeing the diversity of the cultures of the world as a beauty and not a challenge to be overcome. Good is growing, making room for yourself, learning what your role in the world is, living it, and accepting that you are NOT the creator, and do not have dominion over all creation and accepting that others have a role too.

Over and over again in the novels, leadership is shown to be about delegating and not subgugation, at least amongst the good characters. Understanding that a leader looks after others and that he doesn't control everything and can't do everything, that even a leader has a limited role, even if the role is important.

Balance and continued life and continued time are synonyms (Nyms?). Look at our linear time world. If the creator doesn't balance the gravitational potential energy with the attractive pull of the energy of the universe, then it either collapses into a singularity

in the first few seconds, without such interesting life as us forming, or it flies apart in the first seconds so much that stars never form. "The Light" and balance are the same.

So why does the bg gardener in the sky never intervene? He already balanced the world. He even made a place for heroes to deal with the DO. Everyone has a role. His role is the creator. He shelters from the darkness that comes without balance. And the creation is his tool and act. If he had to intervene, then that would just mean he made a mistake when designing it originally.

Imagine empty space, the Light holds the shadow at bay by resisting it. If it ever tried to defeat the shadow, the imbalance would cause a singularity (black hole).

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: 2003-12-05

Tamyrlin,

The right turning of the Wheel is really depending from the balance (in all aspects) and because the Wheel is creation of the Creator, a theory about the Creator must take it in account, and I haven't done it yet. But my immediate problem was in first place what is to be understood under Creator's "goodness" and I don't see why to call "good" the equal distribution of good and evil. So I found the Gardener metaphor to try to explain myself something about. The Creator is maintaining balance, but DO is installing more and more disbalance in the world, then what would be the Creator's maintaining-the-balance work like, if not counter-intervening. Min explained in Caralein's camp (to be exact: Fel's theory in Min's interpretation), that chances of good and bad must be equal, the Wheel is working so, and that's how it's maintaining balance. Very well, but what's "good" in it, except the mere existence of the Wheel (but the mere existence, for instance, in the hell, doesn't mean, it's good). The balance is more likely to be something done for suviving, but everythig tries to survive, good and evil, DO is also wanting something stabile, there are even two evils balanced (as in Fain's personality). All that doesn't say, how the Creator's goodness is to be expressed. And it's stated Creator is to be regarded as "good".

And I don't understand how the good could be both: 1. side in the good-evil balance, 2. this balance itself, i.e. both extreme side and totality?

Anubis,

I wanted no such result, but my theory really underestimates the communication between Ogier and plants, so, You are right, I have to fix this problem. When Ogiers communicate with real plants, everything is all right. But my idea was that the Creator behaves against men and women like the Ogiers are behaving against plants. For a plant this could be a communication, because it's a plant with it's lack of mind, etc. (whatever replaces this in the plant's communication with Ogiers), but a man will not feel the same as communication, it's not like one could communicate with man. The communication with plants is manifestated in changer in their grouth. In the case with the human the analog will be not what this human experienced, but the Thread of his life in the Pattern, taken without connection with his mind.

free will,

Good=balance? In WoT philosophy good has really close connection to the balance, but equality? I can understand the balance needed to maintain something good, but balance is needed also to maintain something bad, as the dictatorship You mentioned. A dictatorship could survive only if it manages to maintain an equilibrium of all forces and interests in it's domain. Every Forsaken gives it's place to everything they have under control (as Grendal with the new "talents" of her toys), but with the difference, it's a place from another order. And even in the best balance there are things totally uncompatible (at least the existence of DO). I cannot imagine a balance, that doesn't EXCLUDE some alternatives, and the more precise is the balance, the more things are to be excluded.

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heronblade: 2003-12-06

are we saying good=law and evil=chaos? if so u better hope good does't win out. after all there can be no life without death

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Ozymandias: 2005-02-16

I think your misinterpreting the nature of "good" in these books. All the ideas about balance strike closer to the mark. If you picture "good" an "evil" as two sides to the same coin, you get a more accurate picture. They both exist. If you want, picture the DO and Creator as the different make-ups of every individual in Randland. The DO is a construct of the evilness of man's nature, and those that believe in him are what make him a reality. The Dark One is the amalgamated essence of human hate, fear, greed, lust, etc etc. So as these feelings grow among humankind as a whole, the DO gains strength.

"Goodness" is really just balance. The Creator doesnt necessarily want a world in which everyone is good. If everyone is a "good" person, then by definition evil doesnt exist. And if evil doesnt exist, than neither does goodness, because there is just one "way of being" so to speak. And that means that being "good" means nothing, and therefore just blends in and becomes dull, rather than good.

This means that the Creator's ideal of a world would be one in which evil and good counteract each other to the point where they reach perfect equilibrium. This means that people appreciate the goodness of the world, because they can compare it to the evil of certain other's.

As my rabbi once said, "in a world where no one is sad, doesn't happiness lose meaning?"

i think you see the connection