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emale and Male Access to One Power

by a dragonburned fool: 2004-06-29 | Not yet rated

Previous Categories: Philosophy and the Wheel of Time

This theory was created in a discussion on the Message Board some months ago, a discussion about circles (that's why this theory ends with ideas about circles: the initial idea of this theory). I have to thank to everybody, who participated in that discussion, and especially to SDog, to whom I owe the initial interest to the topic, the first variant of the metaphor for how channelers link to the Source (My metaphor is different and serves to a opposite theory, but it is derived from his one) and his valuable and powerful criticism against me forced me to develop all the details, I'm exposing here now.

Part I:

The Cosmic Stream of One Power

Both male and female channelers link to the same Power. Yes, I said "the same Power", despite of the fundamental difference between Saidin and Saidar. Because the One Power is called "One" for some purpose, and it drives the Wheel of Time as One Power. Saidin and Saidar are the two halves of it. Halves. So, men and women, sense and control the both halves of the same Power. They are very different in the quality of them, but later about that.

Power comes into them and goes out (it is called "channeling" after all). Many times in the books is described the experience of female and male channellers, how the Power flows through them. It flows into a channeler from the Source and out of them into the weaves that cause the channelling effects.

One Power flows through the active channelers, passive channelers, angreals etc, through everything. It flows also without any channelers. In AoL "static flows" existed that could be used without channelers. Now the static flow don't exist more, but the ter'angreals that work with non-channelers do work yet, and all ter'angreals are OP-utilizing devices, so some flow of OP without any channelers yet exists. OP is the force that drives the Wheel, and it is a constant stream. Channeling in that case would be rather only partial modulation of this stream.

And it flows in a direction. It is called "One" Power after all, so it is only one stream. Saidar and Saidin are only the "halves" of OP, and they are many times described as opposite poles. Flow of ONE thing between poles: that is the Power, and everything happens between the poles. The Power at all is a huge circuit, and channelers, circles etc., are connected to it in the middle of the flow.

The two halves of the Power are described as working together against each other. It is exactly the closest way to describe opposite poles, to describe something that works because of the relation between opposite poles. For example electricity flows from the one pole to the other, so the both opposite poles struggle against each other and work together.

I think, that the direction is, more exactly, from Saidin to Saidar. One of the reasons it that if the Great Stream is like a river with beginning and and, so it's to be expected that in the beginning the river would be swift-flowing, impetuous and turbulent (like Saidin) and at the and it will flow slow (like Saidar). Btw so one and the same thing (a river) can have two entirely different appearances... But the main reason for me to suggest that direction I would set out later.

Part II:

Touching the Source: the Pumping metaphor

If the OP is a constant stream, channeling would be plugging in the stream and modulating it a little. Moiraine, explaining the reason for OP to not being possible to exhaust by channeling, used the metaphor of OP being a river, and the channeler an watermill wheel in it. But channeling is not only transforming energy - it forms the Power into weaves, i.e. it redirects, changes, manipulates the flow of the Power. But the windmill metaphor means that the Power is feeled by AS (Moiraine apparently bases on the whole traditional knowledge of the Tower about that topic) to not go to nowhere after channeling, but return to the general stream. So if the Power was a bundle of strings, a channeler pulls one string, bends it into a knot, but all the time the both ends of the string remain in the bundle, and only some part of it in the middle of the string is what the channeler has. For the Power is not a static wire, but a flow, the channeler takes a part of the flow aside, deflect it into a complicite path with many curves, but the OP wants to flow in it's direction, so after all the curves it will inevitably return into the main stream.

For to deflect a part of a stream one must drain it out. One can for example use a straw to drain water from a river. As the fluid has to flow further into the weave and after that into the main stream again, a better metaphor would be not drinking through a straw, but using a pump to deflect part of the strem in a sidebranch pipework.

So a channeling ability is like a pumping ability. What makes a channeler for to touch the Source? She (or he) clears her/his mind from anything, causing the state of "oneness", called sometimes also "the Void". How works a pump? It drives away what is in it, causing vacuum, and that vacuum causes pressure, that makes the liquid to flow in the required direction. A channeler is getting tired when holding the Power, even if she/he doesn't channel. And the more amount of Power she/he is channeling, the more she/he is getting tired. I.e. maintaining the touch with the Power is a constant work. But what makes the channeler to maintain channeling? Only maintaining the serenity state by keeping all the emotions aside. I.e. holding the Power is maintained by keeping pumping it.

The strenght of the channeling ability is in that case the maximal pumping capacity. A channeler can drain less or more Power. If she is channeling less, she's tired less, if she channels more, she's tired more. When a channeler is learning to channel, she begins with a low maximum of strenght, and in the process of training she gets stronger. Especially significant it's with the male training, where the strenght is gained suddenly in great portions and is dependent on occasions where the channelers had to channel by extreme conditions (that IMO made them to channel more). So the inner pump is developing. But everyone has limits of this development, above that more power would burn the motor of the pump. The danger of channeling when one is very tired (it's danger to be burned out) also makes me to think with analogy with motors: the channeler's motor can, so to say, be overheated by work, that would reduce it's capacity, and make it easier to burn out.



When two women make a circle, only one can control the flow, the strenght is more then that of one woman, but less then the sum of the strength of the both women. That makes me to think about two locomotives pulling one train: only one of them controls the direction of the movement, the power is greater then that of one locomotiv, but less that the sum of the powers of the both. The same is true for almost all chains of motors, including chains of pumps.

Part III:

Male and Female OP-Pumping

The polar origin of the flow can explain also the difference between saidin and saidar. Poles are what makes the whole stream to flow, poles drive it, so exactly poles would be used for to make the modulations of OP known as "channeling". Men use to drain Power from the one pole, women - from the other.

That can be related with different techniques of pumping OP, that have connection to the different manner of working of the both poles. The different manner of work of the both poles is seen in the appearances of Saidin and Saidar. Saidin is like an upper course river, where the water is swift and turbulent, and where OP is rushing into the world (imagine the OP moving the Wheel of time like a water stream moving a watermill: for to move the wheel the water must be swift and to rush into the wheel). Saidar is like a river in the lower course, where it is close to the outflow, and where it already passed the Wheel and lost it's impetus.

A pump can draw in a liquid, or a pump can push it forward. Women embrace the Source and men seize it. It looks like the difference between drawing in and pushing. Men seize OP and so rush into the Power stream. That is like what the Saidin pole makes to the stream. Women embrace OP like the Saidar Pole embraces the stream after passing the Wheel.

Female channeler connection is structured so:

(not sensed) -> woman -> Saidar

Male channeler connection so:

Saidin -> man -> (not sensed)

'Not sensed' means here 'not to be manipulated', so I don't contradict here to the principle that men and women cannot touch the same halves of the OP. Men and women just use different directions of the current, so they are as foreign to each other as possible.

Part IV:

Female and Mixed Circles

In a trivial female-only circle, only the leader has direct connection to the source. The others pump the power after the leader as if the leader pulls a rope and the others pull the leader:

(not sensed) -> other women -> leader -> Saidar

In a mixed circle the situation is like this:

Saidin -> man -> (-> other women) woman -> Saidar

So a trivial circle has only one direct Source-connection, and a mixed circle has only two direct connections, not more then halves of the OP exist.

Women are channeling as if dragging something while going backward, men channel as if pushing something (also going backward, so that it's easier to push). Between the part of the OP mainstream that men use to touch the Source and the part, women use, there is the Wheel. Men use the OP before it passed the Wheel, women use it after it passed the Wheel. So Women have the information, that, so to say, is "floating" downstream from the Wheel, while men haven't. So the women can "see" the other channelers (they are faced to them), while men cannot. So women can build circles, while men cannot.

If an woman and a man link into a circle, they use both the halves of the OP and so are more similar to the way the main stream of OP works on the Wheel. That is to be the reason for to can be done by mixed circle, then by channelers of only one sex.

The taint on Saidin is said to be on the "surface" of the pool of Saidin, and it is only between the Source and the channelers, but under the film of Taint the Saidin is clear. So the Taint doesn't spoil the mainstream and don't affect it, it is only clad of the stream making it impossibe for the Saidin stream to be accessed from outside without sucking the Taint too.
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Tamyrlin: 2004-09-18

Well, you know I have a substantially different view on channeling, although I agree with your general premises regarding the existence of the One Power, and it being "one" power. You call it a pumping mechanism, I call it a genetically determined "pipe" or "bridge" (similar to a muscle or gland) that matures with age, but is pre-determined by the physical body. A quick point, in my opinion, the difference regarding access to the OP is determined by the soul, not the body. In other words, the "mechanism" (or methodology) used, be it "embrace" as a female, or "seize" as a male, is directly related to the connection of OP to soul, not by the physical body, as we can witness with Halima. I like your "directional" ideas of flow, but I think those can exist outside of your "pump" analogy.

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Callandor: 2004-09-19

**But what makes the channeler to maintain channeling? Only maintaining the serenity state by keeping all the emotions aside. I.e. holding the Power is maintained by keeping pumping it.**

Explain Nynaeve pre-losing her block.

**Saidar is like a river in the lower course, where it is close to the outflow, and where it already passed the Wheel and lost it's impetus.**

?

Saidin and saidar only drive the Wheel of Time by attracting and repelling each other, not by simply rushing past it.

Plus, don't you think it might be a slight insult to women to have lost their impetus? ;) (obviously not relevent to discussion).

**In a trivial female-only circle, only the leader has direct connection to the source. The others pump the power after the leader as if the leader pulls a rope and the others pull the leader**

The leader controls it, but the others are of course still connected to saidar.

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a dragonburned fool: 2004-09-20

The idea about the directional flow of the ONE power is really appliable both to the theory about the pumping OP and about piping it. Different aspects of my theory can be defended independent of each other.

I prefer the "pump" analogy before the "pipe" analogy because it has IMHO more similarities to the process of drawing OP and maintaining it, especially that a channeler can draw more or less after touching OP and that the maintaining of the void is too similar to the vacuum used by pumps to work (however I agree that the work for maintaining the channeling cold be efforts to hold the hose connected), but I see it is hard to argue about and there is too much of general impressions in that. Also support for the pump analogy is the fact, that a channeler in the case of the best control creates in himself/herself a fully mental and inner state that allows the OP to come, and that inner state is not joining to anything but just used for concentration and for focussing on the world around the channeler.

The orientation to saidin or saidar is dependent of course of the soul and not of the body, and there couldn't be objections against that as we have the example of Halima. I think that the sex of the body and the orientation to a half of OP are two independent consequences of a same feature of the pure soul, like the connection between a furniture of oak wood and a cooky with nuts to each other - common descendence but different things. The genetical prerequisite and the soul's impact must co-incide in a person for to become channeling. And therefore it requires the active efforts both of the soul and the body to touch the source. I'm understanding my "pump" as being both physical and spiritual process synchronized between each other.

About the wilder blocks: that's the not so advanced form of channeling, that's channeling with problems. The fully controlled channeling will give more accurate view about the requirements for the channeling process. The fact is, that the best channeling is the channeling via serenity/voidness. But it works also with wilders - how? All wilders have to maintain some state, unless they cannot hold the OP more - Nynaeve has to maintain her anger, Theodrin before the breaking of her block required the presence of a guy she liked etc. In both cases the wilder has to feel a emotion that usually drives one into very focused state when one forgets thinking about any distracting things. Both anger and sexual feelings are known to make a person forget about everything, to break the normal attitude of living. The common thing in the methods of AS to break wilder blocks is to put the girl in a situation of a shock, when she has to forget about all her concerns and so to achieve in another way the state that the wilder has usually via the block's requirement. Shock is actually also a method of concentration together with very intensive inner life. Nynaeve's anger is a form of such shock. Theordin's problem is milder form of shock. Usually wilders have their first channeling in situation of shock. In shock you have very intensive emotional live but it is empty about actual reactions. So it's another way to achieve what vois and serenity achieve, but without the controllability.

**Saidin and saidar only drive the Wheel of Time by attracting and repelling each other, not by simply rushing past it.**

Right. It could be even said that the repulsion and attraction of both them forms the circular appearance of the Wheel. But that model just says nothing about the particular difference between the both halves of OP. For to explain the difference we must have a polar analogy. And this polar analogy about the river rushing into will is also appliable. However I agree that the statement that saidar is a river after losing it's impetus on the Wheel, is not very accurate... saidar is definitely not lost it's impetus. However it really resembles a strem after a watewheel in the descriptions from the books.

**The leader controls it, but the others are of course still connected to saidar. **

... but don't hold it. Saidar flows throught the passive members but they don't hold it in their "hands". They hold something else. They have connection, but it comes throught the leader, not derectly. They cannot draw more OP, they can only fewel what the leader does.. They are not far enough in the direction to the Source for to touch it - that's the requirement for to become passive member - to stop before to touch it.

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Callandor: 2004-09-21

** All wilders have to maintain some state, unless they cannot hold the OP more - Nynaeve has to maintain her anger, Theodrin before the breaking of her block required the presence of a guy she liked etc. In both cases the wilder has to feel a emotion that usually drives one into very focused state when one forgets thinking about any distracting things.**

But they don't forget about things. Nynaeve has to maintain her anger. You said:

**What makes a channeler for to touch the Source? She (or he) clears her/his mind from anything, causing the state of "oneness", called sometimes also "the Void".**

Clears their mind from anything -- yet, Nynaeve has to keep something in her mind. Doesn't add up.

**It could be even said that the repulsion and attraction of both them forms the circular appearance of the Wheel.**

Ok, the Wheel is an object, not a product of repulsion of forces. Saidin and saidar repelling and attracting drive it; they don't make it up.

**For to explain the difference we must have a polar analogy.**

They just can't be different by themselves?

**... but don't hold it. Saidar flows throught the passive members but they don't hold it in their "hands". They hold something else.**

Hold something else? What exactly is that? They hold on to saidar. They access it. And no, they can't do anything else on their own with it. But they still hold on to it.

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a dragonburned fool: 2004-09-22

**Ok, the Wheel is an object, not a product of repulsion of forces. Saidin and saidar repelling and attracting drive it; they don't make it up.**

We don't know what kind of "object" the Wheel is, we only know that in some unspecified yet by RJ manner the OP is in some connection to the "substabce" of the Wheel. I don't know what kind of relation it is, and I don't know what the Wheel exactly is. But Saidin and Saidar could be part of it, because their repulsion and attraction is very similar to the picture of a turning Wheel. In his long interview answer about the Cleansing RJ said that the opposition of saidin and saidar is not opposition of the two ends of a line, but the opposition of the two halves of a circle. And "both repulse and attract" applied to a circle is to be visualized only as the turning of the circle. The repulsion and attraction of saidin and saidar is the turning of that ying-yang symbol like a wheel. Is this the Wheel itself or only a motor wheel on the axis of the Wheel, or something else, the flow of the One Power resembles an wheel.

And the difference between saidin and saidar cannot be "just" difference, it cannot be the kind of difference that doesn't need any explanation, that is difference of itself. Because saidar and saidin are too much opposites, their very nature is to be so opposite, for to attract and repulse each other because of their innest essentials. Logically opposites must have something common for to be counterparts and not just different things. "Up" can be opposite to "down" but not to "inside"; "hot" can be opposite to "cold" but not to "smooth". And Jordan stresses too much that saidin and saidar are counterparts, that they are parts of the mechanism of the whole. Pity that I lost my archive of quotes, so excuse me for not providing it, but there were RJ's words how the opposition of saidar and saidin actually made up the mechanism of the how world works, that exactly the opposition between them was essential. Obviously RJ has thought much about that. It couldn't be just unexplainable difference.

Maybe if it would be analogy with a stream of water, the flow of the One Power will ressemble rather flow in closed circular tube. The OP rushes down (saidin) and then flows up the hose because of the pressure (saidar) and then back down. However I still find the analogy with the river more useful because easier to visualize and closer to the language of what channelers experience when holding the Power.

About the wilders and the oneness: yes the oneness is a void, clearing of the mind and emotions from things, but actually every example of oneness is also non-forgetting some things. An trained AS remover everything and concentrates on the very complex weaves to make and on the every detail of what happens around them. The void used by Rand is actually a method for a warrior to focus on everything needed for a real fight with a real enemy. So here the language makes bad jokes with us - it is both true to say that oneness is removing everything from the mind, and that those with oneness don't forget things, that actually they forget less then those who don't remove the things from their mind. The same is true also about all known to me real-world mystical practices of removing everything from yourself - it's allways connected in "seeing" a plenty of "truth". The void makes you to have more in the mind then you could without the void. But nevertheless it deserves to be called void, because the technique is exactly that - removing everything.... except of what simply cannot be removed. The anger does something like that - the anger makes you to forget to worry about lot of things one usually doesn't stop to worry about and to focus only on what the angry one just cannot remove from her head.

The details are different but the essence is the same: AS make their "serenity", Rand makes his "Flame and Void", Nynaeve gets angry, Theodrin feels what is to be feeled in presence of a boy she likes.... and in all that cases everything unusefull doesn't bother the minds of these people, they don't need to think "now I'll take attention on that, now I have to look to that", but they simply see what is to be seen and what cannot be not seen, because it is the very reality. And in all these cases they have to make hard efforts to keep themselves clear from everything that usually is present in psychic life, from all the memories, assotiations, emotional reactions and other inner processes that come again and again to disturb the "void" that makes you able to focus.

**Hold something else? What exactly is that? They hold on to saidar. They access it. And no, they can't do anything else on their own with it. But they still hold on to it.**

No, they don't hold on to saidar. Saidar flows throught them, but they don't hold it. Having OP in yourself and holding it are very different things. OP flows through amgreals and ter'angreals, but these things don't hold it. Da'shain Aiel utilize OP when singing the Song, but they don't hold it, they are even non-channelers. OP flows through your body when somebody is Healing you (or Compelling you), but you don't hold on it. Holding on the OP implies the ability to manipulate it. An AS who comes into the circle doesn't touch the Source - that is what is required from her - she must be ready to touch it, but she must not touch it. Holding the Power for a passive circle memebr is becoming the control over the circle, nothing less.