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2012-04-30: I had the great pleasure of speaking with Harriet McDougal Rigney about her life. She's an amazing talent and person and it will take you less than an hour to agree.
2012-04-24: Some thoughts I had during JordanCon4 and the upcoming conclusion of "The Wheel of Time."
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Last ten theories at Theoryland.
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I submit to you that it is Moghedien, not the DO, that brings the fallen forsaken back to life.
Argument #1 - She has the means:
We have yet to see how a forsaken is brought back to life. However, we have seen someone else brought into the pattern as a grown woman - Birgitte. And it was Moghedien who performed this feat. The primary arguement suggesting that this is a different situation is that Birgitte kept her body, while the forsaken seem to need new ones. But remember that Birgitte's body could not sustain her, and she was dying when she was brought into Randland.
From TFoH ch 35 (pg 563 softcover) Nynaeve healing Birgitte:
"It isn't working. There's nothing wrong with her to heal. She is as perfect as anyone can be. But she is dying. Oh, light, I can feel her slipping away."
Only the warder bond with Elayne saved her. Moghedien probably knows it's easier to put the dead forsaken into a fresh body than to bond them.
Birgitte is a hero of the horn, is spun out every so often, and lives in TAR in her downtime. It is likely that the forsaken get the same deal in some form. After all, they have also been spun out countless times.
That being said...
Moghedien ripped Birgitte out and put her into the world, but does that really seem so bad? Why would this really be a punishment? Birgitte believes it is because she will not be with Gaidal Cain in this life. This is pretty weak for a forsaken with a grudge: After all - we know that in the AoL, Birgitte (then known as Teadra) foiled Moghedien's plan to trap Lews Therin. I doubt Moghedien forgot about that.
A more reasonable downside to being ripped from TAR is that Birgitte's soul will be destroyed (or at least not brought back to TAR until she's spun out again) if she dies in her current state. Moghedien is fully aware of this, that wasn't her first time ripping people out of TAR. Moghedien does say that she will punish her by making her "weep alone for an eternity". My (purely speculative) idea is that now that Birgitte has been ripped from TAR she will never again be able to spend her downtime between lives in TAR with Gaidal.
Evidence #2 - The Aginor situation:
It's safe to say at this point that Aginor is not coming back for round three. But the question is: why? He did a pretty lack-lustre job with both his lives, but does that warrant the DO just throwing him away? He still is one of the most powerful channelers of all time working for the dark. In fact, I believe that he cannot be revived again. He was ripped out of TAR, like Birgitte, and his soul has been destroyed (or at least will not return to TAR). Egwene's dream of the black towers in ToM supports the theory that Aginor will not return:
“All was dust around [Egwene], and thirteen black towers rose in the distance beneath a tar-like sky. One fell, and then another, crashing to the ground. As they did, the ones that remained grew taller and taller. The ground shook as several more towers fell. Another tower shook and cracked, collapsing most of the way to the ground—but then, it recovered and grew tallest of all.
At the end of the quake, six towers remained, looming above her. Egwene had fallen to the ground, which had become soft earth covered in withered leaves.”
There are six towers - and six forsaken - left at that point. These being Ishy (Moridin), Lanfear (Cyndane), Demandred, Graendal, Mesaana, and Moghedien. No room for Aginor there. You could argue that he may still be resurrected, but the fact that it says "At the end of the quake..." as if the (resurrection) dust had settled, suggests to me that six are left able to participate at this point. So this means all forsaken essentially have two lives. That's good news for our heroes... Ishy and Lanfear don't need to be balefired!
Evidence #3 - The Lanfear situation:
Every forsaken that has been resurrected had been male up until Lanfear. And they were all resurrected at full strength. Lanfear, however, has been brought back at a fraction of her former power. What gives? Is the DO a saidar-wielding woman, then? A much more reasonable explanation is that it is a female forsaken doing the resurrecting. It couldn't be Lanfear (since she was resurrected herself) and it's pretty laughable to imagine the peer-slayer Graendal reviving her old friends.
Argument #1: Well then why does balefire make it impossible for people to be resurrected?
It may be that when you're balefired you do not wait in TAR until the next time you're spun out. Or there may be some explanation I haven't thought of.
Argument #2: Why can the shadow convert Rand (and others) to the dark side when they die if it's just Moggy doing it?
Perhaps the DO does have a hand in this by trapping the souls of people right after death. Or it may be a trap set by Moghedien somehow.
Argument #3: Nynaeve thinks Moggy has little healing ability. How could she heal Lanfear?
I don't know. Nynaeve could be wrong, or the weave could be simple enough (relative to AoL weaves) for Moggy to pull it off.