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he Seals Have Freed The Forsaken

by Pagemaster: 1998-07-07 | 1 out of 10 (1 votes)

Before Winter's Heart - Archive Only: Who killed Fel and why?

I must say that the idea of the taint and seals together is intruiging, and the more of you you add your unique thoughts to this theory, the more convinced I become (And by the way, I'll be really mad if this is a correct theory because its the kind of thing you want to slowly figure out right before it is revealed.). But, I have my own addition to add to it. Today I read that the reason the seals are breaking is because the taint on saidin comes through them whenever a man channels. This, I think, is a very good theory. The seals began weakening, and because Rand was about to pop up, there were a bunch of false Dragons. All this channeling by false Dragons weakened the seals enough to let Aginor and Balthamel out. However, this is where I'm not sure my theory comes full circle: When Rand and Aginor are channeling at the Eye, Rand is not drawing from the Source that is driving at the Wheel, but the Pool of Purified Saidin. When I read the theory that the taint was eroding the seals, I immediately thought that Rand must have let all the Forsaken out by channeling so much saidin at the Eye, that the first seal (Hidden in the Eye) shattered. However, because the Pool of Saidin was purified, that first touch of Saidin at the Eye was the natural touch...therefore, would the taint be going into the Seal or not, at this touch? The Forsaken were all released somewhere near the end, or beginning of the first and second books, respectively.Therefore, some sort of small tension, from Rand, or the Dark One, cracked the seal. Whether channeling from the Eye caused the final breaking, or not, I am not sure. However, if channeling saidin without the Dark One's shield that stops the taint does erode the seals, then the last 3 or so seals are going to be going pretty fast with the 2 hundred or so Asha'man. Someone back me up, or disagree with me on this, because the more we pool our knowledge, and ideas, the more our theories take shape.
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Tamyrlin: 1998-07-07

Do we have substantiative evidence that the Forsaken appeared because the seals have broken or is it because the seals are weakening? It would be close to impossible to prove the time that each one escaped their 'prison'. For example, Ishamael has been loose the entire time, have any of the others been loose for years? I would put my money behind the weakening of the seals to cause the loosing of the Forsaken...comments?

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Young Bull: 1998-09-22

This doesn't really have anthing to do with Fel but it does put a small chink in Pagemaster's theory.

Pagemaster claims that the Forsaken were freed near the end of TEotW or start of TGH. I disagree with this point. The following is taken from my theory page so it doesn't quite fit the context of this discussion.

We really have no idea when all the Forsaken were freed, if they were freed at the same time, or at different times. We have been assuming that they were freed in the order that they have appeared in the books, but I don't think that is necessarily true. After all, they still had to take time to get into their positions in the various nations. They could have used compulsion on the people close to them but they wouldn't be able to compel the whole nation. They had to not only make the rulers trust them as close aids etc, they also had to fool the people too. Do you really think the people of Caemlyn would believe that this Lord Gaebril just popped out of nowhere and is now the Queen's main advisor, especially the way they play the Great Game? I think not. Rahvin would need time to work his way to the top without arousing suspicion. When we first hear of Rahvin, he is already Morgase's main advisor.

The support for the Forsaken being free at the beginning of TEotW is that in Baerlon, the Two Rivers group are dancing at an inn and they notice a man with a scar on his face. This scar matches Sammael's scar (across his face). I can think of no other reason for RJ to mention the man with the scar in such a significant manner (he's the main "ohh, who's this character" for the whole dance scene) if he is not Sammael. Thus the Forsaken must have been free at that time.