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nath is Semirhage

by Frenzy: 2003-03-10 | 9.39 out of 10 (18 votes)

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Semirhage's description: (from Lord of Chaos; CHAPTER: Prologue - The First Message, unless otherwise noted.)

~ long slender fingers

~ Her black dress was a sharp contrast against the chair. Not even Demandred dared suggest to Semirhage's face that she wore black so often because Lanfear wore white.

~ Semirhage took delight in cruelty, a pure pleasure in giving anguish.

~ dark eyes in a smooth dark face

~ She was always calm, just as she was always graceful.

~ Semirhage stood taller than most men, though so perfectly proportioned that you did not realize it until she stood over you, looking down.

What we know of Semirhage:

~Semirhage was one of the best Restorers of her time, hates Aes Sedai, is a sadist, and one of the first to go to Shayol Ghul

How she did hate any who called themselves Aes Sedai. She had been one herself, a true Aes Sedai, not an ignorant fool like the simpleton hanging before her. She had been known, famed, whisked to every corner of the world for her ability to mend any injury, to bring people back from the brink when everyone else said there was nothing more to be done. And a delegation from the Hall of the Servants had offered her a choice that was no choice: to be bound never to know her pleasures again, and with that binding be able to see the end of life approach; or else to be severed, and cast out as Aes Sedai. They had expected her to accept binding; that was the rational, proper thing to do, and they were rational, proper men and women. They never expected her to flee. She had been one of the first to go to Shayol Ghul. (Lord of Chaos; CHAPTER: 6 - Threads Woven of Shadow)

~Everyone is afraid of her, even if they don't admit it.

Semirhage could make a boulder beg for mercy and thank her for death. And as for the Great Lord-" "The Dark One," Rand broke in sharply around his pipestem. The Great Lord of the Dark was what Darkfriends called the Dark One. Darkfriends and the Forsaken. Asmodean bowed his head briefly in acquiescence. "When the Dark One breaks free. . ." If his face had been expressionless before, now it was bleak in every line. "Suffice it to say that I will find Semirhage and give myself to her before I'll face the-the Dark One's punishment for betrayal." (Fires of Heaven; CHAPTER: 3 - Pale Shadows)

Birgitte's voice tightened at the last name; even Moghedien, who hated her, did not frighten her visibly, but Semirhage was another matter. (Fires of Heaven; CHAPTER: 14 – Meetings)

For the thousandth time Mesaana tried to analyze why she felt uncomfortable around the other woman. (Lord of Chaos; CHAPTER: Prologue - The First Message)

~ There's some sort of connection between Mesaana being in the White Tower and Semirhage being with the Seanchan. If I had to guess, I'd say it has to do with Ba'alzamon. He controlled the Black Ajah until his death in tDR. And as Moerad he set in motion events that led to Luthair Paendrag and his forces taking control of the Seanchan.

Still Demandred kept silent, stood there studying them. No, not Graendal. Semirhage and her (Mesaana). And when he did speak, half to himself, it was to they two. "When I think where you two have placed yourselves, I wonder. How much has the Great Lord known, for how long? How much of what has happened has been at his design all along?"

~ Semirhage cannot attend Chosen meetings. Because she is on a sailing ship, and forming Gateways to and from moving vessels is impossible.

Even so, he wished Semirhage or Mesaana were present. Their alliance was delicate-a simple agreement that they would not turn on one another until the others had been eliminated-yet it had held all this time. Working together, they had unbalanced opponent after opponent, toppling many to their deaths or worse. But it was difficult for Semirhage to attend these meetings, and Mesaana had been shy, of late. If she was thinking of ending the alliance. . . (Winter's Heart; CHAPTER: 13 - Wonderful News)

~ Something amusing:

He could remember as a boy hearing men laugh that when rain fell in sunshine the Dark One was beating Semirhage. Some of that laughter had been uneasy, though, and scrawny old Cenn Buie would always snarl that Semirhage would be smarting and angry after that, and come for small boys who did not keep out of their elders' way. That had been enough to send Rand running, when he was little. He wished Semirhage would come for him now, right that instant. He would make her weep. Nothing makes Semirhage weep, Lews Therin muttered. She gives tears to others, but she has none herself. Rand laughed softly. If she came today, he would make her weep. Her and the rest of the Forsaken together, if they came today. (Path of Daggers; CHAPTER: 22 - Gathering Clouds)

Semirhage was almost as poor at handling weather as Asmodean. (Fires of Heaven; CHAPTER: 30 - A Wager)

Anath's description: (from: Winter's Heart; CHAPTER: 14 - What the Veil Hides, unless otherwise noted)

~ (wearing) unrelieved black silk

~ outwardly undisturbed by the chill wind in spite of her lack of a cloak or cape.

~ A slender woman

~ she would have been tall even for a man

~ Her charcoal-dark face was beautiful

~ her large black eyes seemed to pierce like awls

~ full lips

~ slim hand(s)

What we know of Anath:

~ Anath is Tuon's Soe'feia, and this is unusual. She has held that post for less than 2 years. She could ask Anath, her Soe'feia, to administer a penance, but it was less than two years since Neferi's unexpected death, and she still was not entirely comfortable with her replacement. (Winter's Heart; CHAPTER: 14 - What the Veil Hides)

Tuon's Soe'feia, her Truth-speaker, named by the Empress, might she live forever, when Neferi died. A surprise, with Neferi's Left Hand trained and ready to replace her, but when the Empress spoke from the Crystal Throne, her word was law. You certainly were not supposed to be afraid of your Soe'feia, yet Tuon was, a little. (Winter's Heart; CHAPTER: 14 - What the Veil Hides)

~ Anath has a sadistic streak.

Once, after she (Tuon) cursed Neferi for dying by something as stupid as a fall down stairs, she had asked her new Soe'feia to perform that service (give a penance) for her. The woman (Anath) had been almost tender about it, in an odd fashion, though she left her weeping for days, unable to don even a shift. (Winter's Heart; CHAPTER: 14 - What the Veil Hides)

~ Anath is not a servant.

Many of the Blood called their Voices Soe'feia, but Voices of the Blood were so'jhin, and knew they could be punished if their owners were displeased by what they said even if they were called Soe'feia. A Speaker of Truth could not be commanded or coerced or punished in any way. A Truthspeaker was required[/I[ to tell the stark truth whether or not you wanted to hear it, and to make sure that you heard. Those Blood who called their Voices Soe'feia thought that Algwyn, the last man to sit on the Crystal Throne, almost a thousand years ago, had been insane because he let his Soe'feia live and continue in her post after she slapped his face before the entire court. They did not understand the traditions of her family any more than the goggle-eyed Captain did. (Winter's Heart; CHAPTER: 14 - What the Veil Hides)

~ Anath doesn't have a Seanchan accent

"You are being foolish, Tuon," the tall woman (Anath) said, and her voice made the girl's sternness seem laughter. The too-familiar Seanchan drawl seemed almost absent entirely. "Suroth has the situation here well in her control. What happened to the east can happen in any battle. You must stop wasting time on ridiculous trifles." (Winter's Heart, CHAPTER: 17 - Pink Ribbons )

~ Anath isn't in the Tarasin Palace, and isn't with Tuon, when Mat escapes from Ebou Dar.

Occasionally her so'jhin Selucia was with her, and now and then Anath, though the strange tall woman seemed to vanish from the Palace after a time, at least from the hallways. She was "on retreat", he heard, whatever that was supposed to mean, and he only wished she had taken Tuon with her (CHAPTER: 28 - News in a Cloth Sack)

~ Semiranath is still keeping a close eye on Tuon

Luckily, Tylin began spending more and more time with Suroth and Tuon. Her accommodations seemed to have embraced friendship, with Tuon at least. No one could be friends with Suroth. Tylin seemed to have adopted the girl, or the girl had adopted her. Tylin told him little of what they talked about except in the sketchiest outlines, and often not even that, but they closeted themselves alone for hours, and swept along the Palace corridors conversing quietly, or sometimes laughing. Frequently Anath or Selucia, Tuon's golden-haired so'jhin, trailed along behind, and now and then a pair of hard-eyed Deathwatch Guards. (Winter's Heart; CHAPTER: 18 - An Offer)

~ Suroth doesn't know that Anath is Semirhage, or has a death wish. Perhaps both.

He still could not figure out the relationship between Suroth, Tuon and Anath. On the surface, Suroth and Tuon behaved as equals, calling each other by name, laughing at one another's jests. Tuon certainly never gave Suroth any order, at least not in his hearing, but Suroth seemed to take Tuon's suggestions as orders. Anath, on the other hand, badgered the girl unmercifully with razor-sharp criticisms, calling her a fool and worse. “This is the worst sort of stupidity, girl,” he heard he say coldly one midday in the halls. ... The three Seanchan women – four, counting Selucia, but he did not think they saw it that way -- were clustered just around the next turning. Trying to keep an eye out for serving women wearing a smile, he waited impatiently for them to move. Whatever they were talking about, they would not appreciate him blundering by in the middle of it. “A taste of the strap will set you right, and clear your head of nonsense,” the tall woman went on in a voice like ice. “”Ask for it and be done.” Suroth gasped, though. "Surely you will punish her for this!" she drawled angrily, glaring holes through Anath. Or trying to. Suroth might as well have been a chair for all the notice the tall woman gave her. "You do not understand, Suroth." Tuon's sigh stirred the veil covering her face. Covering but not concealing. She looked . . . resigned. He had been shocked to learn she was only a few years younger than he. He would have said more like ten. Well, six or seven. "The omens say otherwise, Anath," the girl said calmly, and not at all in anger. She was simply stating facts. "Be assured, I will tell you if they change." (Winter's Heart; CHAPTER: 18 - An Offer)

"The High Lady Tuon, and you know as much as I," Tylin replied, just as quietly. "Suroth jumps when she speaks, and she jumps when Anath speaks, though I would almost swear that Anath is some sort of servant. They are a very peculiar people, sweetling." (Winter's Heart, CHAPTER: 17 - Pink Ribbons)

~ Semiranath knows who Suroth is. And probably what she is.

"When we are ashore," she said, "the High Lady Suroth must be commended." Hold to your chosen course. "And her ambition must be looked into. She has done more with the Forerunners than the Empress, may she live forever, dreamed of, but success on such a scale often breeds ambitions to match." Peeved at the change of subject, Anath drew herself up, lips compressing. Her eyes glittered. "I am sure Suroth has only the best interests of the Empire for ambition," she said curtly. (Winter's Heart, CHAPTER: 14 - What the Veil Hides)

~ Semiranath may or may not know who Mat is.

"The boy told you how he was injured," Anath said in frosty tones of command. "If you want him, then buy him and be done. The day has been long, and you should be in your bed."

Tuon paused, examining the long signet ring on his finger. It had been carved as a try-piece, to show the carver's skills, a running fox and two ravens in flight, all surrounded by crescent moons, and he had bought it by chance, though he had come to like it. He wondered whether she wanted it. Straightening, she stared up at his face. "Good advice, Anath," she said. "How much for him, Tylin? If he is a favorite, name your price, and I will double it." (Winter's Heart, CHAPTER: 17 - Pink Ribbons

Tuon troubled him. Oh, when they passed in the hallways, he made his best leg politely, and in return she ignored him as completely as Suroth or Anath did, but it began to seem to him that they passed in the hallways a little too often. (Winter's Heart; CHAPTER: 18 - An Offer)

~ Suroth has the male a'dam, so it's safe to assume Semirhage has it. And considering Jordan's penchant for foreshadowing by saying something won't happen, it's likely to come up.

"In any case, Bayle, you have already admitted there is no harm in Suroth having that collar and bracelets. They can't be put on him unless someone gets close enough, and I've heard nothing that suggests anyone has or will." She refrained from adding that it would not matter if someone did. Bayle was not really familiar with even the versions of the Prophecies they had on this side of the World Sea, but he was adamant that none mentioned the necessity of the Dragon Reborn kneeling to the Crystal Throne. It might prove necessary for him to be fitted with this male a'dam, but Bayle would never see it. (Winter's Heart, CHAPTER: 21 - A Matter of Property)

Anath's mood changed in a flash. Smiling, she laid a hand on Tuon's shoulder almost possessively. That was going too far, but she was Soe'feia, and the feel of ownership might have been only in Tuon's mind. "You must be careful," Anath purred. "You must not let him learn how dangerous you are to him until it is too late for him to escape.” (Winter's Heart, CHAPTER: 14 - What the Veil Hides)

Semirhage quotes of note:

Fires of Heaven; CHAPTER: 3 - Pale Shadows

Rand had heard all that before; it seemed he had heard all Asmodean had to say of the Forsaken fifty times already. So often that at moments it seemed he had always known what the man was telling him. Some of it he almost wished he had never learned-what Semirhage found amusing, for instance-and some made no sense.

Fires of Heaven; CHAPTER: 14 – Meetings

With an effort Nynaeve suppressed her vexation. "Then we mustn't waste what time we have. Have you seen any of them since we last met?" There was no need to say who. "Too many. Lanfear is often in Tel'aran'rhiod, of course, but I have seen Rahvin and Sammael and Graendal. Demandred. And Semirhage." Birgitte's voice tightened at the last name; even Moghedien, who hated her, did not frighten her visibly, but Semirhage was another matter.

"They are concerned with each other, not anyone else. I have seen Rahvin and Sammael, Graendal and Lanfear, each stalking the others unseen. And Demandred and Semirhage each shadowing them as well. I have not seen so much of them here since they were freed."

Lord of Chaos; CHAPTER: Prologue - The First Message

Semirhage sat doing needlework in a high-backed chair covered in red tapestry, long slender fingers deftly making minuscule stitches to form a labyrinthine pattern of tiny flowers. It was always a surprise that the woman liked an activity so ... ordinary. Her black dress was a sharp contrast against the chair. Not even Demandred dared suggest to Semirhage's face that she wore black so often because Lanfear wore white.

For the thousandth time Mesaana tried to analyze why she felt uncomfortable around the other woman. Mesaana knew her own strengths and weaknesses, with the One Power and elsewhere. She matched well with Semirhage on most points, and where she did not, she had other strengths to lay against weaknesses in Semirhage. It was not that. Semirhage took delight in cruelty, a pure pleasure in giving anguish, but that surely was not the problem. Mesaana could be cruel where necessary, and she did not care what Semirhage did to others. There had to be a reason, but she could not find it

Semirhage raised her eyes from her stitchery, unblinking dark eyes in a smooth dark face, then put aside the needlework and stood gracefully. "He will come when he comes," she said calmly. She was always calm, just as she was always graceful. "If you do not want to wait, then go." Unconsciously Mesaana raised herself a little on her toes, but she still had to look up. Semirhage stood taller than most men, though so perfectly proportioned that you did not realize it until she stood over you, looking down. "Go? I will go. And he can—"

"I am still waiting to hear what the Great Lord said," Semirhage murmured.

"Yes. Are we to kill al'Thor?" Mesaana realized she was gripping her skirt with both hands and let go. Strange. She never let anyone get under her skin. "If all goes well, in two months, three at most, he will be where I can safely reach him, and helpless."

"Where you can safely reach him?" Graendal arched an eyebrow quizzically. "Where have you made your lair? No matter. Bare as it is, it's as good a plan as I've heard lately."

Still Demandred kept silent, stood there studying them. No, not Graendal. Semirhage and her. And when he did speak, half to himself, it was to they two. "When I think where you two have placed yourselves, I wonder. How much has the Great Lord known, for how long? How much of what has happened has been at his design all along?" There was no answer to that. Finally, he said, "You want to know what the Great Lord told me? Very well. But it stays here, held close. Since Sammael chose to stay away, he learns nothing. Nor do the others, whether alive or dead. The first part of the Great Lord's message was simple. 'Let the Lord of Chaos rule.' His words, exact." The corners of his mouth twitched, as close to a smile as Mesaana had ever seen from him. Then he told them the rest.

Lord of Chaos; CHAPTER: 2 - A New Arrival

"Whatever your crimes are, Taim, they pale beside the Forsaken's. Have you ever tortured an entire city, made thousands of people assist in breaking each other slowly, in breaking their own loved ones? Semirhage did that, for no more reason than that she could, to prove she could, for the pleasure of it.

Lord of Chaos; CHAPTER: 6 - Threads Woven of Shadow

"What Demandred told me that the Great Lord told him, I have passed on to you, Sammael. Every word. I doubt even he would dare lie in the Great Lord's name."

"But you've told me little enough of what he plans to do," Sammael said softly, "him or Semirhage or Mesaana. Practically nothing."

She stared at him, gathering herself, eyes glittering with enmity. Finally she said, "Little enough." She would not forget that he had seen her lose control. None of her anger came out in her voice; her tone was smooth, even offhand. "Semirhage missed the last gathering; I don't know why, and I do not think Mesaana or Demandred does either. Mesaana in particular was annoyed, though she tried to hide it. She thinks Lews Therin soon will be in our hands, but then she has said the same every time. She was sure Be'lal would kill or capture him in Tear; she was very proud of that trap. Demandred warns you to be careful."

Lord of Chaos; CHAPTER: 6 - Threads Woven of Shadow

Far from stupid, though. It would be interesting to discover how he had found out about the binding. She herself would never have learned had Mesaana not made a rare slip while venting her anger on an absent Semirhage; her fury had been strong enough that she did not realize how much she had revealed. How long had Mesaana been tucked away inside the White Tower? The mere fact that she was opened interesting avenues. If there were some way to discover where Demandred and Semirhage had placed themselves, it might be possible to work out what they intended to do. They had not trusted her with that. Oh, no. Those three had worked together since before the War of Power. On the surface, at least. She was sure they had plotted against one another as assiduously as any of the Chosen, but whether Mesaana undercut Semirhage or Semirhage Demandred, she had never yet found a crack between them into which a wedge could be driven.

Lord of Chaos; CHAPTER: 6 - Threads Woven of Shadow

Semirhage let the iron-bound door close behind her. One of the glowbulbs, salvaged from the Great Lord alone knew where, flickered fitfully, but they still gave better light than the candles and oil lamps she had to accept in this time. Aside from the light, the place had the intimidating look of a prison, rough stone walls and a bare floor with a small crude wooden table in one corner. Not her notion; she would have had it all spotless white and gleaming cueran, sleek and sterile. This place had been prepared before she knew the need. A pale-haired silk-clad woman hung spread-eagled from nothing in the middle of the room, glaring at her defiantly. An Aes Sedai. Semirhage hated Aes Sedai.

"Who are you?" the patient demanded. "A Darkfriend? A Black sister?" Ignoring the noise, Semirhage quickly checked the buffer between the woman and saidar. If it failed, she could mask the wretch again with no trouble—it was a measure of the woman's weakness that she could afford to leave the knotted buffer unwatched—but taking care was second nature to her, taking each step in its exact turn. Now for the woman's clothing. Someone in garments felt safer than someone without. Delicately she wielded Fire and Wind, slicing away dress and shift and every scrap right down to the patient's shoes. Drawing everything out in front of the woman in one compressed bundle, she channeled again, Fire and Earth, and fine dust rained down onto the stone floor.

The woman's blue eyes bulged. Semirhage doubted she could duplicate those simple feats even if she had been able to follow them.

"Who are you?" This time there was an edge to the demand. Fear perhaps. It was always good if that began early. Precisely Semirhage located the centers in the woman's brain that received messages of pain from the body, and just as meticulously began to stimulate them with Spirit and Fire. Only a little at first, building slowly. Too much at once could kill in moments, yet it was remarkable how far the system could be taken if fed in finely increasing increments. Working on something you could not see was a difficult task, even this close, but she was as knowledgeable about the human body as anyone had ever been.

The spread-eagled patient shook her head as if she could shake off the pain, then realized she could not and fixed Semirhage with a stare. Semirhage merely watched, and maintained the net. Even in something as hurried as this must be, she could afford a little patience.

The first sob ripped out of the woman hanging in the air and was stifled. Semirhage waited impassively. Haste might be necessary here, but too much haste could spoil everything. More sobbing erupted, overwhelming the patient's efforts to subdue it, growing louder, louder, until it swelled to a howl. Semirhage waited. The woman shone with a greasy slick of sweat; her head flung from side to side, flailing her hair, and she jerked helplessly in her unseen tethers, convulsive flutters. Full-throated, ear-shattering shrieks lasted until breath was exhausted and began again as soon as lungs could be filled. Those wide bulging blue eyes saw nothing; they seemed to be glazing. Now it began. Semirhage cut off her streams of saidar abruptly, but minutes passed before the screams subsided into panting. "What is your name?" she asked gently. The question did not matter as long as it was one the woman would answer. It could have been "Do you still defy me?"—it was often pleasant to keep on with that one until they pleaded to prove they no longer did—but she needed to make every question count this time.

Involuntary shudders ran through the hanging woman. Giving Semirhage a wary, slitted gaze, she licked her lips, coughed, and finally muttered hoarsely, "Cabriana Mecandes."

Semirhage smiled. "It is good to tell me the truth." There were pain centers in the brain, and pleasure centers. She stimulated one of the latter, just for a few moments but hard, as she moved closer. The jolt widened Cabriana's eyes as far as they would go; she gasped and shook. Plucking a handkerchief from her sleeve, Semirhage lifted the woman's wondering face and tenderly dabbed away sweat. "I know this is very hard on you, Cabriana," she said warmly. "You must try not to make it more difficult." With a soft touch she smoothed damp hair away from the woman's face. "Would you like something to drink?" Not waiting for an answer, she channeled; a battered metal flask floated from the small table in the corner to her hand. The Aes Sedai never took her eyes from Semirhage, but she drank thirstily. After a few swallows, Semirhage took the flask away and returned it to the table. "Yes, that's better, isn't it? Remember, try not to make it difficult for yourself." As she turned away, the woman spoke again, in a rasping voice.

"I spit in the milk of your mother, Darkfriend! Do you hear me? I...." Semirhage stopped listening. Any other time there would have been a spreading glow of pleasure that the patient's defiance had not been crushed yet. The purest exhilaration came from shaving away defiance and dignity in minute slices, watching the patient finally realize that they were going and struggle vainly to cling to what remained. No time for that now. Carefully she once more set the web on the pain centers of Cabriana's brain and knotted it. Normally she liked to be in personal control, but some haste was necessary. Triggering the net, she channeled to extinguish the lights and left, closing the door behind her. Darkness would work its part, too. Alone, in the dark, with the pain

Despite herself Semirhage made a vexed sound. There was no finesse in this. She did not like having to hurry. And to be called away from her charge; the girl was willful and obdurate, the circumstances difficult.

It flowed across the hallway in that eye-wrenching way, ebon cloak hanging in denial of motion. One moment it was a statue ten paces away, the next it loomed over her so she had the choice of backing away or craning her neck to look up at that dead-white, eyeless face. Backing away was out of the question. "You will drain her completely, Semirhage. You will squeeze her dry, without delay, and tell me every scrap that you learn." Semirhage wished she knew how Myrddraal did that. It had nothing to do with the Power, but on the edges of shadow, where light was becoming dark, a Myrddraal could suddenly be elsewhere, in another shadow far away. Long ago Aginor had tested over a hundred of them to destruction in a vain effort to learn how it was done. The Myrddraal themselves did not know; she herself had proved that.

Pausing, Semirhage studied him. There was something.... A tightness around the mouth and eyes. As if he already fought pain. Of course. That peculiar bond between Aes Sedai and Warder. Strange that these primitives should have come up with something that none of the Chosen understood, yet it was so. From the little she knew, this fellow quite possibly felt at least some of what the other patient was undergoing. Another time that would present interesting possibilities. Now, it only meant that he thought he knew what he was facing.

This time she set the net on the pleasure centers and began the slowly increasing stimulation. He was intelligent. He frowned, shook his head, then his eyes narrowed, fixed on her like chips of dark ice. He knew he should not be feeling that rising bliss, and though he could not see her net, he knew it had to be her work, so he set himself to fight it. Semirhage almost smiled. No doubt he thought pleasure easier to fight than pain. On rare occasions she had broken patients with no more than this. It gave her little enjoyment, and afterward they could not think coherently, simply wanting more of the ecstasy that bloomed in their heads, but it was quick, and they would do absolutely anything for more. That lack of coherence was why she had not used it on the other patient; she needed answers there. This fellow would learn the difference soon enough.

There were barely intelligible words among the throat-shredding howls, words that seemed to have all the force of the patient's soul behind them. "Pleeeeaaaase! Oh Light PLEEEEAAAASE!" Semirhage smiled faintly. There was a little fun in this after all.

Crossroads of Twilight, CHAPTER: 4 - The Tale of a Doll

The High Lady Tuon's entourage carries on as though nothing has happened, except that Anath, her Truth Speaker, has taken to seclusion, but I am told that is not unusual for her.

Anath quotes of note

Winter's Heart, CHAPTER: 14 - What the Veil Hides

"So," Anath said, the word like a nail driven into Tuon's skull. The tall woman frowned down at her, and contempt lay thick in her voice. "You hide your face-in a way-and now you are just the High Lady Tuon. Except that everyone still knows who you really are, even if they won't mention it. How long do you intend carrying on this farce?" Anath's full lips sneered, and she made a curt, dismissive gesture with one slim hand. "I suppose this idiocy is over having the damane caned. You are a fool to think your eyes are downcast by a little thing like that. What did she say to make you angry? No one seems to know, except that you threw a tantrum I am sorry to have missed."

Tuon made her hands be still on the railing. They wanted to tremble. She forced her face to maintain a stern appearance. "I will wear the veil until an omen tells me the time has come to remove it, Anath," she said, schooling her voice to calm. Only luck had kept anyone from overhearing Lidya's cryptic words. Everyone knew that damane could foretell the future, and if any of the Blood had heard, they would all have been chattering behind their hands about her fate.

Anath laughed rudely and began telling her again what a fool she was, in greater detail this time. Much greater detail. She did not bother to lower her voice. Captain Tehan was staring straight ahead, but her eyes were almost falling out of her lined face. Tuon listened attentively, though her cheeks grew hotter and hotter, until she thought her veil might burst into flame.
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Tamyrlin: 2003-03-11

If any wot fanatic ever had doubt, this will dispel it. If someone doesn't believe it now, then I have a theory that they might consider buying, "Taim is Demandred." :) Semirhage is Anath and you have done a very excellent job of laying out the case. I appreciate you piecing this together...wow.

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Great Lord of the Dark: 2003-03-11

Frenzy, this is quite a piece of work! Good job.

However, I confess I am still a Taimandredite at heart, and cannot fully agree that Semirhage is Anath. There is a huge pile of circumstantial evidence, but not a shred of tangible proof. Which, of course is the way Jordan wants it :)

The first time I read all those passages in the Books, I didn't feel that Anath was acting out of character with the presented behaviour of Soe'feia. In fact, I thought it was great to see an original concept like Truth Speakers, and I have trouble believing that he would present a facet of the mysterious Seanchan culture, that is in fact not Seanchan at all, but Forsaken. How can he show off this strange culture if the representatives shown to us aren't really Seanchan? Plus, this theory infers that the Empress (may she live forever) is a Darkfriend who placed Anath with Tuon. I don't know...

Still, I'll have to reread this theory a few more times to see if I can convince myself. Since Selene, I haven't guessed a single Chosen's identity correctly yet, so that's a point in favour of your theory.

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jason wolfbrother: 2003-03-11

I am impressed. Your evidence is clear and straight forward. I believe it. Good work Frenzy. To quote Tamyrlin "Wow". :)

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Frenzy: 2003-03-12

GLotD, you'll have to pardon me for finding your belief in Taimandred yet skepticism of Semiranath due to circumstantial evidence downright hysterical. Which, i'm sure, was your point. ;)

Soe'feia ARE a part of Seanchan culture. Tuon mentions that Algwyn, the last Emperor of Seanchan almost 1000 years ago, had a Soe'feai. And a spirited one at that, since she slapped him in front of the Court. Semirhage just took advantage of a position within Seanchan culture that gave her access to the crown princess AND the freedom to do what she needs/wants. Soe'feia aren't Forsaken-induced, unless you're one of those who rabidly think that evey aspect of Seanchan culture is derived from Moerad/Ba'alzamon's influence.

Like you, i like the concept of Soe'feia. It reminds me of the role of the fool in medieval courts, which is what i wrote my senior thesis on for my minor. Fortunately Jordan gave Soe'feia a little more dignity than the fools of old.

Even if you discount the physical similarities as coincidence, Anath's lack of accent is the smoking gun. But i'll let you read and reread the theory and decide for yourself.

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TheNetweaver: 2003-03-12

I'd have to go with GLotD on this one. There's a lot of circumstantial evidence. There's also a VERY high probability that Anath is Semirhage, but we had the same kind of similarities between Taim and Demandred. Until we know more about the Soe'feia, or there's something that Anath says that's really damning, it's difficult to be positive. As for the lack of accent, remember how massive the Seanchan empire has become. Also, in Chapter 1 of CoT, Noal sees a group of Seanchan soldiers and recognizes their appearance, but can't remember where they're from. They obviously weren't from Randland, since he would be able to identify them, and I doubt he's ever been to Seanchan. Big time cultural diffusion in that empire, some might not have as much an accent as others. Don't take this the wrong way, I believe Anath will turn out to be Semirhage, but it can't be 100 percent yet.

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silverwolf: 2003-03-12

Even though all of the evidence is circumstantial, it seems to indicate that Anath is Semirhage. I'm convinced; there's just too much evidence to ignore.

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Great Lord of the Dark: 2003-03-17

Frenzy, rather than poke holes in your theory, of which there seem to be rather few, I'll just ramble on about some plot points until I find a plausible explanation for Semiranath's existence.

My initial problem is that the Forsaken are mainly concerned with the main continent and blatantly ignore other parts of the world.

Two of the Forsaken (Aginor and Baalthamel) are released at the end of the Eye of the World, and the rest right after the 1st seal is found broken. They place themselves throughout the world. The "dreamers" (Lanfear, Moghedien, Ishamael, Asmodean) make no base of operations, the "generals" (Graendal, Sammael, Be'Lal, Rahvin) quickly become heads of state, and the "advisors" (Demandred, Mesaana, Semirhage, Osan'gar, Aran'gar) keep a close watch on groups that wield power, particularly organized groups of channelers.

But the Black Tower and the Rebels only came into existence after Book 4/5. So Osan'gar and Aran'gar are sent there. So Semirhage, Mesaana and Demandred were placed before that. Mesaana in the Tower (since Book 3, involved with the Tear trap), Semirhage with the Seanchan, and Demandred to handle this Mazrim Taim plot, presumably. Fine. But there are three groups who haven't been watched: Kin (an explanation is given: no one knows they exist), Aiel Wise Ones and Windfinders. These are two large groups that deserve to be watched by the Chosen, but they aren't. Maybe Windfinders are too spread out, and it seems that no one knew much about Aiel, so ignored them until Sammael got involved with Sevanna.

But the Seanchan planned their invasion decades ago. The fleet wasn't built overnight. There's some reference to the order to begin the Corenne was given over a century ago. If the ships had not launched when they did, Semirhage's position would have been wasted. So why bother sending her there if they might not be ready to travel to the main continent in time for the Last Battle? Unless the fleet WAS ready a long time ago, and the Empress was holding them back, waiting for an order which could only come from... Ishamael.

Ishamael gets beat by Rand in Book 1, realizes the Last Battle is imminent, and sends Semirhage over with orders to start the Hailene by whatever means necessary. Semirhage becomes Anath, maybe with the help of Suroth to create a suitable backstory/alibi. By coercion, compulsion, or just plain good argumentative ability, Anath arranges for the Empress to launch the Hailene, which arrives in time for Book 2's climax.

So everything fits in the Semiranath story except... Semirhage going where Ishamael points her. Were she, Demandred, and Mesaana that obedient to Ishamael? If they went to the places we suspect, I don't believe it could have been their own idea. But it's possible, given how quickly they fall back under Moridin's wing.

So Frenzy, having taken the time to puzzle out a good reason for Semirhage to become Anath (which snuggles in nicely with my Ishamael is behind everything and I mean everything, theory) I can now in good faith side with you.

But, there's a few small holes. Why didn't Semirhage show up for the cleansing of the taint? Being on a ship is no longer an excuse. Oh, and how did she get to torture Cabriana if she was on a ship at the time?

I do need to dispute something! :)

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Anubis: 2003-03-18

Anath is either a really nice red herring, or she is sermerage. and a possible explination for her having trouble attending dark meetings is that with the seanchan she is expected to be around alot. I would imagine that the dotms personal you suck lady would be expected not to vanish randomly.

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Weird Harold: 2003-03-22

I, too, think think Frenzy has compiled the definitive case for Anath = Semirhage and can accept it s a working hypothesis until it's proven one way or the other. Well done, Frenzy! Brava!

There is a comment from Mat's POV that gives a hint as to Semirhage's absence from the meeting and cleansing and explains her ability to be other places for significant periods: Sometime betweenSuroth and Tylin's Departure and Mat's Kidnapping of Tuon, Anath goes into "retreat." And hasn't been seen again. The Seanchan apparently consider "going into retreat" nothing out of the ordinary for Anath.

I think Anath's periodic "retreats" are covers things like the interrogation of Cabriana. It's NOT a tactic that can be used too often, but does allow her more freedom than her position might suggest.

Anath's time aboard a ship isn't as extensive or limiting as it seems.

There are only two or three periods where she would be limited; The passage accross the Aryth Ocean (About three or four months maximum but probably closer to two months), The passage from Cantorin in the Aile Dashar group of islands to Tanchico (Two weeks at most), and the passage from Tanchico to Ebou Dar (about one week.) The rest of the two years since she became Tuon's Truth-Speaker Anath would be free to "go into retreat" and Travel at will.

I think that Anath's current "retreat" and absence from the Cleansing indicates she is on some other assignment for the DO/Shaidar Haran and currently exempt from Moridin's orders. We'll have to RAFO because there are no other hints of her current activities in CoT.

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Anubis: 2003-03-26

good point. semirhage is clearly under orders. that we know of, she hasnt recieved a "visit" from shaidar harah (well she prolly has, but it was likely the nicer variety, hence the "")

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Great Lord of the Dark: 2003-05-23

This is bothering me again....

Demandred's comment about where they have placed themselves: Of what relevance is it? You haven't offerede an explanation for why Demandred is blown away by the Great Lord's plan and why Mesaana in the Tower and Semirhage, wherever she is, are critical to that plan.

There are a couple of possibilities: Semirhage was there to keep Suroth and Tuon going the right way concerning Rand. But they made no overt gestures to try to get close to him. It was Rand who made the first peaceful initiative. If nabbing Rand was the plan, they really sucked at getting it done, because they did exactly the opposite until rand made a SURPRISE move by offering a hand in friendship.

Or, Semirhage knows Mat's importance, and is there to see Tuon does what is required with him. Problem being that Lidya's fortelling seems unknown to Semirhage, so why would she have an inkling about Mat. In fact, she doesn't bat an eyelash when Mat is before her. Surely all the Chosen would recognize Mat!

So, if Semiranath is real, I see that she's horribly incompetent, which is a tough tag to hang on a Chosen.

My faith wavers....

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The Leveler: 2003-05-23

This is garbage. Semirhage would never survive around the Seanchan. They would have felt her channel when she punished Tuon. Tuon would've felt her channel. No, Semirhage is hiding. Anath is Tuon's mother, the Empress. She is observing her daughter, and has a so'jhin (or someone) taking her place in Seandar.

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Frenzy: 2003-05-23

Response to GLotD's skepticism:

“My initial problem is that the Forsaken are mainly concerned with the main continent and blatantly ignore other parts of the world.”

There are always exceptions to the rule. After all, not all Forsaken embedded themselves as rulers within nations. Even Graendal & Moghedien, who burrowed into Arad Domon & Tarabon, weren't leaders.

”Two of the Forsaken (Aginor and Baalthamel) are released at the end of the Eye of the World, and the rest right after the 1st seal is found broken. They place themselves throughout the world. The "dreamers" (Lanfear, Moghedien, Ishamael, Asmodean) make no base of operations, the "generals" (Graendal, Sammael, Be'Lal, Rahvin) quickly become heads of state, and the "advisors" (Demandred, Mesaana, Semirhage, Osan'gar, Aran'gar) keep a close watch on groups that wield power, particularly organized groups of channelers. “

Just to Nitpick: Moghedien set up shop in Tarabon, and Graendal was never Head of State in Arad Domon.

”But the Black Tower and the Rebels only came into existence after Book 4/5. So Osan'gar and Aran'gar are sent there. So Semirhage, Mesaana and Demandred were placed before that. Mesaana in the Tower (since Book 3, involved with the Tear trap), Semirhage with the Seanchan, and Demandred to handle this Mazrim Taim plot, presumably. Fine. But there are three groups who haven't been watched: Kin (an explanation is given: no one knows they exist), Aiel Wise Ones and Windfinders. These are two large groups that deserve to be watched by the Chosen, but they aren't. Maybe Windfinders are too spread out, and it seems that no one knew much about Aiel, so ignored them until Sammael got involved with Sevanna.”

Ask yourself this: if the Forsaken were “placed” within nations or factions of importance, then why believe Demandred was placed to “handle this Mazrim Taim plot”? The Kin are localized in Altara, and are underground. They're not a political entity. Might as well ask why a Forsaken isn't with the Tuatha'an or the Amayar. The Wise Ones co-rule with the Clan Chiefs. But even then each Clan is autonomous, and “Chiefs are not wetland kings.” What's to gain by embedding yourself with the Aiel? Besides, the Forsaken have preconceived notions of what the Aiel are, based on what they used to be in the AoL. Why watch Dai'shain, even if they no longer follow the Way? The Windfinders don't rule the Atha'an Miere, the Wavemistresses do, and the Mistress of the Ships. And each of those positions is elected, and to get any sort of rank among the Atha'an Miere you have to work up from deck hand. What Forsaken has the time for that, or the will to Compulse that many people?

”But the Seanchan planned their invasion decades ago. The fleet wasn't built overnight. There's some reference to the order to begin the Corenne was given over a century ago. If the ships had not launched when they did, Semirhage's position would have been wasted. So why bother sending her there if they might not be ready to travel to the main continent in time for the Last Battle? Unless the fleet WAS ready a long time ago, and the Empress was holding them back, waiting for an order which could only come from... Ishamael.”

Well, the likelihood of Neferi's death by falling down a flight of stairs as being accidental is slimmer than Kate Moss after Lent. And it was always the intention of Luthair Paendrag (or his descendants) to return home after conquering the foreign lands. It just took 800 years to conquer it, and 200 to plan the Return. And since Moerad had Hawkwing's ear when he sent Luthair & Laiwynde on their way, the Forsaken knew about the Seanchan. Besides, if the Corenne was running late, Semirhage could stage her death and move on, no big deal.

”So everything fits in the Semiranath story except... Semirhage going where Ishamael points her. Were she, Demandred, and Mesaana that obedient to Ishamael? If they went to the places we suspect, I don't believe it could have been their own idea. But it's possible, given how quickly they fall back under Moridin's wing.”

Who says she got her orders from Ishamael? At that point in the story all of the Forsaken were free agents, not subject to the Nae'blis. Heck, she takes orders from Shaidar Haran in LoC, she knows to be patient. She says so herself. Who's to say that Semirhage's orders didn't come directly from the Great Lord himself? He would know what's going on from discussions with Ishamael. And Demandred's comment almost confirms this.

”But, there's a few small holes. Why didn't Semirhage show up for the cleansing of the taint? Being on a ship is no longer an excuse. Oh, and how did she get to torture Cabriana if she was on a ship at the time?”

We don't know where Semirhage was during the Shadar Logoth scene. The fact that she was NOT there means something, considering almost everyone else alive WAS there. As for Cabriana, I'd have to look at the Timeline, but I think there's a chance her ship was docked at Cantorin during that time, before it set sail for Ebou Dar.

“Demandred's comment about where they have placed themselves: Of what relevance is it? You haven't offerede an explanation for why Demandred is blown away by the Great Lord's plan and why Mesaana in the Tower and Semirhage, wherever she is, are critical to that plan.”

Demandred is blown away because the connection between the White Tower and the Seanchan is 1000 years old. He starts to wonder how much the Great Lord actually knows, and how long he's been setting things up. When you find out your boss is a hell of a lot more informed than you thought, you start to sweat.

”There are a couple of possibilities: Semirhage was there to keep Suroth and Tuon going the right way concerning Rand. But they made no overt gestures to try to get close to him. It was Rand who made the first peaceful initiative. If nabbing Rand was the plan, they really sucked at getting it done, because they did exactly the opposite until rand made a SURPRISE move by offering a hand in friendship.”

Well, at the time Mesaana's plan to capture Rand & bring him to Tar Valon was in motion. That failed, and Semirhage steps up to take on the job Mesaana failed at. Rand offered peace, talk about the fox walking into the trap. Makes life easier for you.

“Or, Semirhage knows Mat's importance, and is there to see Tuon does what is required with him. Problem being that Lidya's fortelling seems unknown to Semirhage, so why would she have an inkling about Mat. In fact, she doesn't bat an eyelash when Mat is before her. Surely all the Chosen would recognize Mat!”

I'm not sure if Semirhage knows about Mat. She all but ignored him in WH, as you pointed out. Perhaps she's more interested in Rand, and has the other 2 ta'veren written off. After all, Ishamael was the only one who cared about Mat & Perrin. And whoever owns the gholam in Ebou Dar.

”So, if Semiranath is real, I see that she's horribly incompetent, which is a tough tag to hang on a Chosen.”

What incompetence? So far the only goof I see is losing Tuon, and that can be laid at the feet of ta'veren. (Though underestimating the importance of Mat may count as a goof as well.)

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Callandor: 2003-05-24

Your forgetting Lanfear in the WT going around as Else Grinwell, Mogy in Tanchico, Lanfear in the Waste, Moggy in Salidar, and Messanaa in the Tower now.

All of them have thier ability to channel reduced if not totally gone. So it is possible for her to be Anath. And the Empress, if she was disappointed with Tuon, 1) wouldnt hide behind a high ranking servent (pure non-sense of royalty), 2) wouldnt have given command of the biggest thing in Seanchan history to her daughter who disappoints her. Not to mention, that Tuon should be able to recognize her mother even if she saw her ONCE.

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Great Lord of the Dark: 2003-05-26

To nitpick: Graendal was not the head of state, she was only giving orders to the King telling him how to run his country. So yes, Graendal is a Leader, though she hides it well.

Neferi was killed less than two years earlier to make room for Anath, I cannot dispute that. Neferi's death happened before Tuon left Seanchan, but probably after it was decided that Tuon would be leading the Return. So Semirhage (or the Empress, I like that idea at the moment) can easily make sure they are accompanying the daughter of the Nine Moons on her voyage.

It IS a big deal if the Return had been delayed. Without the Seanchan, Rand could have conquered straight through to Tarabon by now. Over half the world would be behind him. So far as the Bad Guys are concerend, the Seanchan needed to come, and so the order to sail had to have been given by Ishamael before Book 2 (Prologue: Carridin's orders speak of those who have landed at Toman Head). I'll allow that Semirhage could have slipped in without Ishamael's knowledge.

But Semirhage not caring about Mat? Lanfear, Asmodean, Isahamel, and Sammael have all demonstrated they knew about Mat, and cared enough to prod, convince, question, try to kill him. And Semi says:"The boy told you how he was injured," Anath said in frosty tones of command. "If you want him, then buy him and be done. The day has been long, and you should be in your bed."

Quote: "Who's to say that Semirhage's orders didn't come directly from the Great Lord himself? He would know what's going on from discussions with Ishamael. And Demandred's comment almost confirms this." How did you know this was my argument for Moridin killed Asmodean? :)

It really bugs me that the main points in favor of Semiranath are:

1. Unable to make the meetings: Though this had been explained by being on a ship, there are many other possibilities if Semirhage is under constant observation and cannot slip away. This excuse makes less sense once they've landed and Semirhage misses important duties, like stopping the cleansing.

2. Physical resemblance: with power-wrought disguises, this link is tenuous.

3. A cruel streak: Reminds me of "he never smiled." I remember all too well how that theory turned out.

It still doesn't seem like much to hang your hat on.

I think the Leveler has an equally good idea: Anath is the Empress. The tenderness, the harsh punishments, the familiarity, the rude comments designed to test Tuon's mettle and determination. It makes as much sense as Semirhage.

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Frenzy: 2003-06-02

Anath is the Empress? Why? Who is on the Crystal Throne, still ruling things in Seanchan? How do you explain Anath's almost complete lack of Seanchan accent? And how do you explain away the fundamental breach in Blood etiquette by having the Highest of the High be a servent, and one who speaks as well? Why the "retreats" if she is supposed to be watching the one running the Return, something in the works for 1000 years?

The easier explanation is that Semirhage placed herself in the most flexible and pertinant position of high authority in the Seanchan culture, and Compelled the Empress to launch the Return according to the Great Lord's timetable.

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Great Lord of the Dark: 2003-06-02

I'm turning into quite the naysayer here...

The way you phrased the theory last was very good. I shall dismiss thoughts of the Empress from my mind. However, why shouldn't I believe that Anath is simply some Darkfriend thrown in at the last minute to watch Tuon, who reports to Semirhage but leaves Semirhage free to do other things? For that matter, Anath could be a Darkfriend reporting to any of the Chosen, even Demandred. Why put Semirhage in, if a Darkfriend will do? It's not like Anath has accomplished very much. In fact she has mostly left Tuon alone with her retreats and disappearances.

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rubbernilly: 2003-06-02

The question is not what has she accomplished, but where would she need to be to accomplish something with the Seanchan?

If there is something to be done with the Seanchan, then a Truth Speaker is the position to hold - you are free to say what you want, and to do what you want. Better yet, to be Truth Speaker to Tuon (heir to the throne) means that there is no one of the blood above her (Tuon) to order you around, either.

This is the spot that Semirhage would have occupied were she to have some interest in the Seanchan - or Tuon specifically.

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Callandor: 2003-06-02

Directly from the WOT FAQ:

In Winter's Heart we meet Tuon's Soe'feia, or Truthspeaker, Anath. Other than having Pure Evil written all over her, what makes us think that Anath must be the long-absent Semirhage surfacing at last?

Well, probably because point for point the two women's descriptions are a spot-on match. Let's consider the points:

1. Physical traits.

Anath: "A slender woman, she would have been tall even for a man. Her charcoal-dark face was beautiful, but her large black eyes seemed to pierce like awls" [WH: 14, What A Veil Hides, 326].

Semirhage: "...unblinking dark eyes in a smooth dark face...Semirhage stood taller than most men, though so perfectly proportioned that you did not realize it until she stood over you, looking down" [LOC: Prologue, The First Message, 56].

2. Fashion sense.

Anath: Described in Chapter 14 as wearing "unrelieved black silk". She's wearing black again when Mat meets Tuon for the first time [WH: 17, Pink Ribbons, 367]. It's pretty safe to assume it's her costume of choice.

Semirhage: From the same page of LOC as above, Graendal thinks, "Not even Demandred dared suggest to Semirhage's face that she wore black so often because Lanfear wore white."

3. Other telltale traits.

On the ship, Anath doesn't show discomfort in the cold, which time and again in WOT is a trait used to describe channellers. Anath should in no way be able to channel.

Later in Ebou Dar, Mat notices that the trademark slurring accent of the Seanchan is barely present in Anath's speech [WH: 369].

4. Sadism.

Easily the defining personality trait of both characters - not just the fact that they both enjoy giving pain, but the disturbingly solicitous manner in which the torture is administered. Tuon thinks of how Anath showed "an odd sort of tenderness" in dispensing a penance that left Tuon crying for days; the same exact phrase could be used to describe Semirhage's behavior during her torture of Cabriana Mecandes [LOC: 6, Threads Woven of Shadow, 139-141].

5. The "willful charge" comment.

Semirhage thinks to herself in LOC: "She did not like having to hurry. And to be called away from her charge; the girl was willful and obdurate, the circumstances difficult." [LOC: 6, Threads Woven of Shadow, 141].

Fits Anath's situation to a tee. Tuon is certainly plenty stubborn.

6. Location.

During the Forsaken Coffee Hour, Demandred thinks, "he wished Semirhage or Mesaana were present...But it was difficult for Semirhage to attend these meetings" [WH: 13, Wonderful News, 313].

Being confined on a ship with a bunch of damane wandering about would probably make it very difficult indeed for Semi, as Anath, to Travel anywhere, even using inverted weaves.

7. Standard Forsaken M.O.

Anath was unexpectedly named to the position of Tuon's Soe'feia by the Empress after the untimely death of her predecessor Neferi from a fall down stairs less than two years before WH, despite the fact that Neferi already had a replacement trained for such circumstances. It's safe to say that if anyone has control over Tuon, the second most powerful noble in the Seanchan Empire, it's her Truthspeaker.

How convenient.

In other words, this chain of events has a very familiar ring after reading about Be'lal in Tear, Rahvin in Andor, Sammael in Illian, Graendal in Arad Doman, Mesaana in the White Tower, Aran'gar in Salidar, and even Osan'gar (and possibly Demandred) in the Black Tower, not to mention what Ishy was running around doing in the centuries he was only partly bound (see section 1.1.8). Most of the Forsaken since being freed have busied themselves acquiring power, not by being the power, but by being the power behind the power.

And it's absurd to think that the FS would inveigle their way into all these nations' ruling councils and ignore the Seanchan, who are currently the only military force in Randland, other than Egwene's army, that can put up a decent fight against Rand's Asha'man. (Note that while Demandred had been possibly linked to the Seanchan by Sammael [LOC: 6, Threads Woven of Shadow, 135], his involvement with the Black Tower and his arrangement with Semi, as described in the Forsaken Coffee Hour section, precludes his involvement with the Seanchan.)

In sum, the similarities and the situation are so perfect that it makes no sense for Anath not to be Semirhage.

Its too perfect. Semi is Anath.

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Frenzy: 2003-06-03

Naysay away, GLotD. At least your concerns are well-articulated.

You said, "However, why shouldn't I believe that Anath is simply some Darkfriend thrown in at the last minute to watch Tuon, who reports to Semirhage but leaves Semirhage free to do other things? For that matter, Anath could be a Darkfriend reporting to any of the Chosen, even Demandred. Why put Semirhage in, if a Darkfriend will do? It's not like Anath has accomplished very much. In fact she has mostly left Tuon alone with her retreats and disappearances."

i think we all agree (or at least acknowledge) that the Seanchan are one of the major forces to be reckoned with in the world today. Would "some Darkfriend thrown in at the last minute" be sufficient to control such a force? Especially since Suroth is already there?

After Falme, Suroth regrouped the Hailiene and advanced it farther than most of the Blood would think seemly. Her only real "failure" in the eyes of her masters is the loss of Egwene, and i don't think they realize how big a goof that is just yet. So why would you send another random darkfriend over with Tuon when you have Suroth running things so well already?

Because Tuon isn't there to really take over the Corenne, she's there to make sure prophecy is met and the Dragon Reborn kneels to the Crystal Throne. That's a task worthy of a Chosen's personal attention.

(and Semirhage's internal comments during the Cabriana scene let us know that she does not like to take these "retreats" that are required of her. Some are necessary, and they are a useful cover.)

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ShadowbaneX: 2005-06-21

The only thing I think you're missing is Mat's thought when he first meets Tuon and Anath.

Winter's Heart, Chapter 17

"It was not the presence of Suroth or the strangers that jerked him to a halt, though. The dice had stopped, landing with a thunder that made his skull ring. That had never happened before. He stood there waiting for one of the Forsaken to leap out of the flames in the marble fireplace, or the earth to swallow the Palace beneath him."

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Frenzy: 2006-03-16

Looks like KoD has added additional weight to this theory. ;)