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Tamyrlin: 2005-02-23
(Frenzy for Tamyrlin)
If all the male a'dam did was keep a male channeler from voluntarily channeling, you may be onto something. But the male a'dam (or e've, as some like to call it) does more than act as a dampener.
Though I've yet to see any discussion on why it hosts/emits strong negative emotions. We haven't seen modern a'dam do that.
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Aiel Finn: 2005-02-24
The reason that it shows such emotions could be because of what has been done with it. Remeber that all the ter'angreal that Elayne has from the stash in Ebu Dar all have feelings to them. If the sad bracelets were made after the breaking in an attempt to control male channelers, then they would have collared someone to test it on. However, the maddness eventually affects all connected to the braclets. Imagine two AS and a male channeler linked, and all mad. That would be enough to create lots of dispair and pain. These emotions may have stained the bracelets because of the way they pass emotion and the power.
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Frenzy: 2005-02-24
That seems the easiest answer, Aiel Finn, but why nothing from modern a'dam? Being used for hundreds of years to train and contain damane would likely leave traces. Chronic build-up, instead of an acute loading brought on by a mad male channeler.
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Yaga Shura: 2005-02-24
I believe personally that the male a'dam is giving off the essence of the taint in the form of emotions such as sadness. I also think that there is a link between the fact that it connects two women to a man, and what Cadsuane tells Rand about Callandor in TPoD "The only way to use it... is linked with two women"(ch.27). Clearly a link, but I'm not sure how. More on this later, I guess.
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Aiel Finn: 2005-03-03
Maybe the sad bracelts were origionally made to help contain Callandor?
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snakes-n-foxes: 2005-03-03
Correct me if I'm wrong. The 'feelings' associated with the adam and other things, have only occurred in the dream world ?
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Aiel Finn: 2005-03-04
I don't think so, I'm pretty sure that it still had the bad feelings when Elyane and Nyn found it in Tranchio. I'm thinking the scene where they are sitting in the dining room at their inn and telling Bayle to drop it into the sea after they escaped the palace would tell, but I don't have my books on me at the momoent. Anyone have a quote?
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haertchen: 2005-03-05
One other thing: Why does it only affect channelers (female ones, at that)? IIRC, Bayle Domon holds it in his hands with no side-effects at the end of TSR. Could it be like the pain a male channeler feels when handling an a'dam?
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Callandor: 2005-03-05
**IIRC, Bayle Domon holds it in his hands with no side-effects at the end of TSR.**
Bayle Domon is a non-channeler ;)
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gleeman: 2005-03-29
ok, its known that Suroth has the male a'dam and Liandrin is her pet... does anyone have opinions on my prediction that the "Daughter of the Nine Moons" that Suroth is going to introduce Rand to will actually be Liandrin? (End of CoT, Suroth replied to Rand and told him that he will meet the DoNM)
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Callandor: 2005-03-29
**does anyone have opinions on my prediction that the "Daughter of the Nine Moons" that Suroth is going to introduce Rand to will actually be Liandrin?**
All but impossible.
1. Liandrin looks absolutely nothing like Tuon, besides from being a woman. Liandrin is white, while Tuon is black. Liandrin has long blond hair, while Tuon is either bald completely or growing black hair. Liandrin is average to tall height, while Tuon is roughly Moiraine's height (around 5 foot). Most importantly, Liandrin has the Ageless look, and Tuon does not.
2. Tuon appears to be a well known, and very respected, noble in Seanchan society (heir to the empire of course! ;)). Putting a practically unknown stranger, and property at that, up and saying she's the Daughter of the Nine Moons, would ring a few confusion bells.
3. There is a way to overcome this, but it is dependent on two things:
A. That Semirhage is Anath in disguise.
B. That Suroth knows of this.
If both are true (Semi being Anath is practically fact), then Liandrin can have the Mask of Mirrors around her to desguise her. However the difference could be too much to allow her to do much of anything, and the weave would have to be tied off and inverted.
4. There is already remarks of a figure who looks like Tuon, and speaks with a Seandar accent, in Ebou Dar. Whether this is a puppet of Suroth (or Semirhage's), is unknown.
All in all, Liandrin being put up as the Daughter of the Nine Moons, is very far fetched and almost completely unlikely.
However, Liandrin being a controller of the male a'dam might be possible still. Who knows.
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gleeman: 2005-03-29
*1. Liandrin looks absolutely nothing like Tuon, besides from being a woman.*
and does rand know what either of them looks like? just because suroth told him hed be meeting the DoNM doesnt mean theyd make a big ceremony of it and have a large seanchan attendance.
*2. Tuon appears to be a well known, and very respected, noble in Seanchan society (heir to the empire of course! ;)). Putting a practically unknown stranger, and property at that, up and saying she's the Daughter of the Nine Moons, would ring a few confusion bells.*
once again, that depends completely on there being seanchan in attendance of the meeting (seanchan that arent under suroths control) and it was never gauranteed that there would be more bodies present there besides rand, suroth, and "tuon" (of course there will be, but those are the only gaurantees).
*4. There is already remarks of a figure who looks like Tuon, and speaks with a Seandar accent, in Ebou Dar.*
could someone provide the quote about the girls appearance? i dont have CoT at my dorm and all i recall was people making comments on the accent and someone (i cant recall who) being distressed about this.
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Jiana: 2005-03-29
A Seandar accent would be necessary. But to present Rand with an impostor "DotNM", it would not be necessary for her to look like Tuon, because Rand has never seen the DotNM and has no clue what she looks like, only what a Seanchan sounds like when he/she speaks.
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Callandor: 2005-03-30
**and does rand know what either of them looks like? just because suroth told him hed be meeting the DoNM doesnt mean theyd make a big ceremony of it and have a large seanchan attendance.**
What the heck are you talking about? The Daughter of the Nine Moons, acting in place of the Empress, meeting the ~Dragon Reborn.~ You're telling me, that no one other then Suroth, the Daughter of the Nine Moons, and Rand will be there?
Of course it will be more then just a few people. It's a tremendous event for the Seanchan (really everyone).
**of course there will be, but those are the only gaurantees**
What about the Seeker that's chasing after Suroth (granted for the wrong reasons, but it's the right person)?
**could someone provide the quote about the girls appearance? i dont have CoT at my dorm and all i recall was people making comments on the accent and someone (i cant recall who) being distressed about this.**
** TITLE: Crossroads of Twilight, CHAPTER: 4 - The Tale of a Doll
"Listen to a story," Mor said slowly, "and tell me what you think." His gaze was fastened to Karede as if by tacks, studying, weighing, evaluating as though Karede were on the block at sale. "This came to us in the last few days." By us, he meant the Seekers. "It began among the local people, as near as we can tell, though we have not yet found the original source. *Supposedly, a girl with a Seandar accent has been extorting gold and jewelry from merchants here in Ebou Dar. The title Daughter of the Nine Moons was mentioned." He grimaced with disgust, and for a moment, his fingertips turned white, they were pressing against each other so hard. "None of the locals seem to understand what that title means, ~but the description of the girl is remarkably precise. Remarkably accurate.~* And no one can recall hearing this rumor before the night after . . . the night after Tylin's murder was discovered," he finished, choosing the least unpleasant event to fix the time.**
