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he Finns: Uncensored

by Lana: 2003-11-27 | Not yet rated

Previous Categories: The World of the Finns

Here we go... I've drawn a lot of conclusions using various threads on the message board. If I've used anyone's idea and not credited - let me know!

But here it is... The Finns: Uncensored.

The first order of business is to clear up any misunderstanding about the Finns hopping to and from Mirror Worlds. It is simply not possible. From what we know of the Finns, assuming they could travel to and fro mirror worlds, why wouldn't they just use that as a means of getting their sensations and emotions? Why have any need for the ter'angreal at all? They could just pick a world with people, suck 'em dry, make a new suit or two and head back to their pedastals in their freaky little world.

This being said, anyone who knew of the Finns (Moiranne, other Aes Sedai) would have to be wary about people accidentally traveling to either Finnland (I assume then, that the Finns cannot gain access to Randland). I believe that the ter'angreal were created entirely for the above purpose: to prevent Randlanders from stumbling upon Finnland.

It is entirely possible that there was once a much easier way to gain access to Finnland - the Tower of Ghenji comes to mind. But we know from Birgitte that it is not easily accessed in the current age. This leads to the conclusion that someone, somehow must have warded it, or done something to block of unsuspecting "treasure hunters," which is what Mat wanted to do when he first saw it.

Also, the ter'angreal to the Snakes was in a basement in Tear, but the ter'angreal to the Foxes was sealed up in Rhuidean. This tells us something: 1.) Either the Foxes are more dangerous then the Snakes or 2.)the Aes Sedai couldn't find the Ael Finn when they sent everything with the Aiel. Both of these shows, however, that the Finns are not to be taken lightly and that the safegaurds, including the number of questions and setting prices are in place for a reason. I believe that the Snakes were able to answer Mat, Rand, Moiranne's questions by siimply reading the pattern. They possibly have a concentrated form of what Min has. They can read the future, and know what it means, but they cannot do it indefinitely. Meaning that they can only ascertain the answers to the three most pressing questions in a person's life.

The Foxes, on the other hand, are a different story. We know that both groups of Finns feed off of their visitors emotions. The Foxes, in granting their wishes are able to take a bit more emotion then the Snakes can. I think that the Aes Sedai may have included this has a price in order to deter people from entering. The means, therefore, are not worth the ends. Especially concerning the fact that not very many people come out. We know what the Foxes wear, and I don't think anyone believes someone offered up their skin willingly because the Finns old outfits were getting ratty.

This said, anyone who doesn't come out forfeits their possesions to the Finns.

Another part of the theory, or a completely different theory, involves the iron, music and fire. We know they are a no-no in Finnland, however, I believe it is only if you have all three at once. Granted, Rand held off the Finn's with his fire sword, but they still managed to herd him out the door. If he had had all three pieces of the puzzle at once, he could have run rampant over Finnland.

Also, everyone is pondering how Mat has gotten his memories. (I haven't seen concensus anywhere on this board :) ). What do we know about the Finns? The rumage through people's memories and emotions. It is entirely probably that they stuck the memorie's in Mat's head the same way they took them out.

Phew... I think I'm done now. I know you guys will have questions and I'm sure I forgot a great deal. But for now... Post on!
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Tamyrlin: 2003-12-09

Let's see. I would guess that the metal tower was built as a means to access finnland via tel'aran''rhiod, and that it was never meant to be physically entered in the real world, hence the design. I disagree that there is a specific amount of information that can be gleaned by the foxes and snakes. They bargain and the bargain that they created with the original discovers of their realm, was the trading of three questions from the Snakes and three wishes from the Foxes. It is disputable as to whether or not they can enter the real world; Mat had to be hung on that true in Rhuidean by someone or something, and the suggestion is that whoever that person or thing was, it got into Rhuidean and to the tree back the way Mat came in, through the doorway. You bring up an interesting point that I haven't seen elsewhere. Did the Aes Sedai specifically take the doorway to the Foxes with them because it was much more dangerous? Well, I will let everyone else get to their responding.

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Great Lord of the Dark: 2003-12-09

The rhyme goes Music to dazzle, fire to blind, courage to strengthen and iron to bind? Regardless, it's a clue to how to get everything you want from them, and probably how the first visitors were able to force the Finns to these agreements for wishes and answers in the first place.

My personal, and highly improbable, Mat scenario is that the Eelfinn took Gaidal Cain's memories to stick in Mat's head and complement what he already had in there. Birgitte's memories of cultures and customs (Eharon)show she has been active at various times throughout the Third Age, so theoretically Gaidal was also. Coincidentally, every accent Mat goes through, Birgitte knows. Mat is getting uglier with every scar he gains, and the fact that Mat/Gaidal would be perpetually stuck with Elayne on account of the Warder bond is highly ironic. Yes, it contradicts some of what you say, and has other well-known holes, but I still like it most days. After all, the memories had to come from somewhere...

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Jes: 2004-03-18

This was mentioned on another theory post, but I thought it should be repeated here (which seems to be a bit of a synoposis on the Finns): Fairy mythology says you will enter Fairyland by circling three times "windershins" (i.e., counter-clockwise) around the entrance. That is why Brigitte stops Perrin from innocently circling the Tower of Ghenji. This is how Mat and Thom (or whomever) will enter the World of the Finns.

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Cambo: 2004-03-19

TITLE: Shadow Rising, CHAPTER: 26 - The Dedicated

"Some of the wagons were burning. The dead lay where they had fallen. The horses had already been driven off, except for those still hitched to a few wagons that had been emptied onto the ground. For once he took no notice of the crated things the Aes Sedai had given into Aiel charge, toppled carelessly into the dirt. It was not the first time he had seen that, or dead Aiel, but this time he could not care. The men with the swords and spears and bows, the men who had done the killing, were loading those empty wagons. With women. He watched Rhea, his daughter, shoved up into a wagon box with the others, crowded together like animals by laughing killers. The last of his children. Elwin dead of hunger at ten, Sorelle at twenty of fever her dreams told her was coming, and Jaren, who threw himself off a cliff a year ago, at nineteen, when he found he could channel. Marind, this morning."

I don't think any emphasis can be placed on only the foxes doorway being in Rhuidean. It is extremely likely that the Jenn had both doorways at the beginning of their trek and that the one that ended up in the Tear was lost or stolen along the way.

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Anubis: 2004-03-19

can i add somthing?

too bad im addin it anyways

THE FINNS ARE NOT EVIL

THE FINNS ARE NOT GOOD

They are their own seperate little neutral little group. stop saying that they hate the shadow cus they dont and its annoying.

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charliec: 2004-03-19

**Music to dazzle, fire to blind, courage to strengthen and iron to bind** each of these has a specific function, so you'd only need more than 1 if you wanted to use more than one effect. No doubt the Snakes managed to herd Rand to the door partly because it was the only place that he could have gone, sword of fire or no...

The Finn clearly enjoy human memories and emotions, but they don't need them, or surely they wouldn't survive through the times when the doorways are inactive and few people know of the tower of Ghenjei. People find the gifts and information the finn offer useful, but again can survive without them. I believe that the doorway ter'angreal are part of a trade bargain made with the finn- not a way of restricting access, but instead making it easier and safer (it's hard to escape the tower of ghenjei, and we've no indication that the finn stick by their bargain if you enter that way)

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Anubis: 2004-03-19

nifty except that the quote comes from rands walk through the columns, not the finns.... and if you read the questions of the week rj says some interesting stuff about the tower of gengi