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Old 12-17-2015, 10:08 AM
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But in the Wheel of Time you don't have just one life, do you?
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Because the city (and its evil) didnt exist when Sammael last walked the world in the AoL, so he didnt know how to ward against it, where as modern AS had learned to do so in the time since his imprisonment.
Looks like dealing with it didn't require any imagination or whatever, just a bit of common sense. If Sam didn't have it than I don't understand how could he survive the war of power.
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But in the Wheel of Time you don't have just one life, do you?
But you forget everything so you'd have to start from scratch in every lifetime. And as time goes on the story fades to legend and then myth, and that just makes it more difficult to find something you missed.
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So maybe Figbiscuit already found some amazing new things, but won't tell us (because she's forgotten when she reincarnated). Perhaps she should've taken notes or something.
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There is some reason for doubt about that:
So at the very least one of the Forsaken knew the evil of Mashadar well enough to recognise it and track it.
Other than this being a TEOTW-ism, it's entirely possible that Ishamael would have known about Mashadar, and that the explanation here is that he assisted Balthamel and Aginor in tracking the party down to the Eye. Ishamael may even have had a hand in bringing about Aridhol's downfall, though that seems thematically unlikely. You could also argue that an evil like Mashadar emerged during the War of Power, and was close enough to the Third Age Mashadar that Aginor's GPS still worked; we know from word of god that Mashadar was something found by Mordeth rather than made in Aridhol. Or since Aginor and Balthamel were closer to the surface they were closer to events and able to observe but not interact.

I think the real world explanation for the TWOTW-ism might be that RJ originally intended for other Forsaken than Ishamael to have a degree of freedom. That idea would have been abandoned by the time TEOTW went to print but as with various things wasn't fully edited out, and thus this scene.
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Could well be, of course. On the other hand, by the time that Sammael and Rand had their confrontation in Shadar Logoth, the TEOTW scene had been part of the canon for a long time, so RJ may have been aware of it. If so, then he could have come up with some reason why Sammael would have known about Mashadar too.

Even if RJ did not think of that, for some reason, then it still would make sense to assume that Sammael knew about Mashadar. He was deliberately using that very location to set a trap for the DR. As part of his preparation he would have studied what was known about that location, and that would undoubtedly have included asking some BA for anything the WT knew about it. He could then combine that with whatever there was in the Trolloc Central Library. It is even possible that the Friends of the Dark have some kind of information repository too, and Sammael would have had access to whatever was there as a matter of course.
So even if we for some reason assume that RJ did not know about the TEOTW bit, there was still ample reason to think Sammael would have been quite well informed.
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So maybe Figbiscuit already found some amazing new things, but won't tell us (because she's forgotten when she reincarnated). Perhaps she should've taken notes or something.
Bah, by the looks of her avatar, it is impossible to imagine she would forget something.
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So at the very least one of the Forsaken knew the evil of Mashadar well enough to recognise it and track it.
one of the Forsaken that was bound close to the surface of the prison and was able to watch history unfolding...
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So maybe Figbiscuit already found some amazing new things, but won't tell us (because she's forgotten when she reincarnated). Perhaps she should've taken notes or something.
I was debating notes, when I first started my re-read. That was when I thought I'd have some self control over it. Now on Knife of Dreams, literally getting nothing else done in life.
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