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Well, no others have come forward. He quickly apologized and made no excuses, the woman in question accepted the apology and says he shouldn't step down.

He also requested an Ethics investigation into it.

What he didn't do? Rape or molest kids.


So...I'm fine with him sticking around unless more confirmed people come forward and/or the ethics investigation uncovers damning evidence.
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One guy is accused of sexually-assaulting teenage girls? Might still get elected. Frankin does a stupid thing? Career is over.

I know that grading on a curve is a thing, but this is a bit much, don't you think?
Democrats tend to be less forgiving about these kinds of things. The gray area is Clinton/Kennedy type indiscretions. With the Kennedys all the shenanigans seemed purely consensual. With Bill? The Monica Lewinsky thing was clearly with consent, and she wasn’t a minor. The other women? Less clear. This Franken thing? Clearly w/o her consent.

Republicans often seem to just require their dudes to go to church, ask some random preacher to forgive their sins. Yada yada yada...
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Democrats tend to be less forgiving about these kinds of things.
That's because Republicans are the party of family value; their goal is getting every woman (no matter her age) in a "family way". Moore failed at that, apparently, but at least he tried. Franken only joked about it.
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That's because Republicans are the party of family value; their goal is getting every woman (no matter her age) in a "family way". Moore failed at that, apparently, but at least he tried. Franken only joked about it.
Sometimes it's hard to tell if it's hypocrisy or just stupidity.

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In the same breath, White House budget director Mick Mulvaney affirmed that he thinks the women who have come forward are “credible,” but still would not say whether he believes that their charges are true.

“I believe they’re credible. I don’t know who to believe,” he said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

“You don’t believe them?” host Andrea Mitchell asked.

“No, I said they’re credible. I don’t know who to believe,” Mulvaney repeated.
Something tells me that Mulvaney didn't take Latin in high school. Or he's just stupid.
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I think that it is more likely that he assumes that his voters are either stupid enough to fall for that or willing to suspend their disbelief even when they spot his hypocrisy. I also think that he is quite right in this.
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I think that it is more likely that he assumes that his voters are either stupid enough to fall for that or willing to suspend their disbelief even when they spot his hypocrisy. I also think that he is quite right in this.
Maybe, but not sure what that has to do with whether or not he personally knows what credible means. Thinking that the voters are gullible or stupid is one thing, making yourself look stupid is quite another.

And I think it’s quite possible that Mulvaney did take Latin. He is Catholic. He went to a Catholic high school. And it’s not like he went to crappy southern colleges. He went to Georgetown for undergrad, and then UNC for law school. He shouldn’t be stupid. Nonetheless, I find it difficult to trust that he understands what credible means when he twice in but that quoted section references credible and then believe in such proximate discord.
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Maybe, but not sure what that has to do with whether or not he personally knows what credible means. Thinking that the voters are gullible or stupid is one thing, making yourself look stupid is quite another.

And I think it’s quite possible that Mulvaney did take Latin. He is Catholic. He went to a Catholic high school. And it’s not like he went to crappy southern colleges. He went to Georgetown for undergrad, and then UNC for law school. He shouldn’t be stupid. Nonetheless, I find it difficult to trust that he understands what credible means when he twice in but that quoted section references credible and then believe in such proximate discord.
You'd be amazed how stupid someone can be when their paycheck is dependent on them being so.
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Nonetheless, I find it difficult to trust that he understands what credible means when he twice in but that quoted section references credible and then believe in such proximate discord.
You don't find it credible that he believes he can get away with it?
Davian, the faith is strong in this one.
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You don't find it credible that he believes he can get away with it?
Davian, the faith is strong in this one.
Mulvaney is just a minor official in the Trump administration. I don’t care if he can get away with trying to remain ambiguous - trying to both continue supporting Moore, while not outright calling these women liars.

That ambiguity is hardly out of the ordinary for a politician. But he could have accomplished that without creating the impression that he didn’t understand what the word credible means. Especially considering that there is little point in him wading into this issue at all. He heads the OMB (the Budget Office), a position negligible enough that it was arguably a step down from his seat in the House. He perhaps just thought that he would face questions on the Trump/republican tax plan, and was just so unprepared for a question on Moore, that he rambled out an idiotic and incoherent response, but he still looked like a moron.

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Another woman has come forward to accuse Franken.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42056869

This one sounds similar to the stories about the Elder Bush’s MO during photos, which carries the possibility, like with Bush, that more of these stories will come out. This still isn’t as bad as what Moore or Trump did, but it still is inappropriate. I still think that he is unlikely to finish out his term.
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Franken may have gotten a bit lucky that this second accuser came out today (likewise Charlie Rose, though I think it's safe to say that Charlie Rose will get the axe soon), because this story is getting slightly buried by Trump seemingly intervening at the DOJ to block AT&T from buying Time Warner.

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The US Department of Justice has filed a lawsuit to block telecoms giant AT&T's $85.4bn acquisition of Time Warner, the owner of CNN and HBO.
The decision is a surprise since US anti-trust authorities rarely object to deals involving companies that do not directly compete.
Now, normally I'd assume that it would be the left, rather than the laissez-faire right that would have a potential problem with this, especially as...

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"Vertical mergers like this one are routinely approved because they benefit consumers without removing any competitor from the market. We see no legitimate reason for our merger to be treated differently."
How much actual benefit there ever is for consumers through merger seems typically at best ephemeral, even when it's not a case of direct competition. Nonetheless, had Obama done this I think that most of us would be of the opinion that this had been an altruistic decision. But with Trump? What possible justification would a republican have for stopping a vertical merger other than simply for the sake of a personal vendetta against CNN and HBO?

If nothing else, this is ideologically odd, and very politically suspicious.
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