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The same email prankster that toyed with various WH officials (most notably the Mooch) until he was finally outed by Eric Trump of all people has stuck again.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/22/medi...ils/index.html

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The email exchanges began with the prankster writing Breitbart editors a simple message from an account masquerading as Bannon's.
"Reading online about how i'll be bringing forth my wrath on Ivanka and Jared," read an email sent Sunday from the fake Bannon account to Marlow. "I'd be doing this great nation a service if I did."
"I spooked em today," replied Marlow. "Did five stories on globalist takeover positioning you as only hope to stop it."
"You need to own that, just have surrogates do the dirty work. Boyle, Raheem, me, Tony have been waiting for this," Marlow added, referring to Washington editor Matthew Boyle, Breitbart London Editor-in-Chief Raheem Kassam, and reporter Tony Lee.
The prankster, posing as Bannon, emailed Marlow a link to a Sunday Breitbart post that aggregated a Daily Mail report to suggest Ivanka Trump was instrumental in pushing Bannon from the White House.
"This was a fun read," the fake Bannon account said.
Marlow then shared a personal smear about the private life of Ivanka Trump, and her husband, Kushner. CNN has chosen not to repeat the smear because it is unfounded and unsubstantiated.
"Haha.. lovely stuff," replied the fake Bannon account. "So do you think you'll have them packed and shipping out before Christmas?"
"Let me see what I can do... hard to know given your description of them as evil," Marlow replied. "I don't know what motivates them. If they are semi normal, then yes, they out by end of year."
Perhaps republicans (or at least the WH & Breitbart) should finally start taking cyber security a bit more seriously.
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Maybe he does need that helmet more than you do.

As for the eclipse: there's a yuge difference between a partial eclipse (which happened in Chicago and some other places) and a total eclipse (which Bonnie Tyler already predicted in 1983, when not even I expected Trump to become president).
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He probably did it because someone told him not to.
That was my impression when I saw it. Real Men don't need pussy eclipse glasses.
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I wouldn't worry about his eyes guys, they have quite the protection.

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Always figured that Trump just paid this random black dude that was standing behind his podium at his clan rallies, but...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.f034e7e74729

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The presence of Michael — variously known as Michael Symonette, Maurice Woodside and Mikael Israel — has inspired not only trending Twitter hashtags but a great deal of curiosity and Google searches. Internet sleuths find the man’s bizarre URL, an easily accessible gateway to his strange and checkered past.
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The radical fringe activist from Miami once belonged to a violent black supremacist religious cult, and he runs a handful of amateur, unintelligible conspiracy websites. He has called Barack Obama “The Beast” and Hillary Clinton a Ku Klux Klan member. Oprah Winfrey, he says, is the devil.

Most curiously, in the 1990s, he was charged, then acquitted, with conspiracy to commit two murders.

But Michael the Black Man loves President Trump.
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In the early 1990s, the New Times reported, Woodside, Yahweh and 14 other members of the cult were arrested by federal agents and charged with racketeering and conspiracy in 14 murders and a firebombing, reported the New Times.

Ricardo Woodside, Maurice’s brother, had once been in the cult but left after his mother’s death. Woodside testified in court that his brother had helped beat a man named Aston Green, who argued with Yahweh and was taken to the Florida Everglades and beheaded with a dull machete, reported the New Times.

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Links on that site lead to another one, honestfact.com, which claims that the “Real KKK Slave Masters” are “CHEROKEE Indians (Hidden Babylonians).”

The proclamations only get more unhinged from there: “ISIS AND HILLARY RACE WAR PLOT TO KILL ALL BLACK & WHITE WOMAN OF AMERICA WITH MS-13.”
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In his interview Wednesday with Chicago’s WLS-AM, Michael talked about his claims that Cherokee Indians were the real slave masters and said that former president Bill Clinton and Sen. John McCain could be traced back to the tribes.

“Cherokee Indians like Chief Bill Baker are mostly white people,” he said, “and Sir John Hawkins, who was the first man to go get slaves commissioned by Queen Elizabeth I, he was absolutely a Cherokee Indian, and almost everybody he had were Cherokee Indians. And the Cherokee Indians had money and they were the only ones able to even really afford slaves, and almost all of them were the ones that had slaves, and all the slave states were states where reservations were located.”

He went on to argue that Ku Klux Klan leader Asa Earl Carter was a Cherokee Indian and “that’s why they wore those hats that looked like tents because they were indicating that those are tepees and that they were hiding under it.”
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Always figured that Trump just paid this random black dude that was standing behind his podium at his clan rallies, but...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.f034e7e74729















This much crazy would make even Felix blush.
Similar levels of crazy are showing up on the yahoo news comments sections.

I really need to stop reading it. Talk about toxic.
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Maddow did a really good segment tonight, setting up the possibility that the Trump Tower meeting could have been the smoking gun meeting re: collusion. The initial impression was that the timing was wrong, but the timing might actually be just right. I think Maddow put it out there because her team doesn't really have the skills to track this story down, as they learned recently when the Intercept nailed them on metadata ignorance.
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Maddow did a really good segment tonight, setting up the possibility that the Trump Tower meeting could have been the smoking gun meeting re: collusion. The initial impression was that the timing was wrong, but the timing might actually be just right. I think Maddow put it out there because her team doesn't really have the skills to track this story down, as they learned recently when the Intercept nailed them on metadata ignorance.
Collusion might not matter. I'm assuming that all of us dems are already convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that he colluded with the Russians. But republicans don't seem to care. And that unfortunately is what matters, since the collusion is still far harder to prove, and even if proven would still only lead to impeachment. If it was the dems in control that would already have happened. Not sure that any amount of political evidence however would be enough to convince republicans to vote to impeach him just on treason grounds. Which is insane, but still seems the case.

And it is this that is really frustrating, because we all know that if the roles were reversed, all the republicans would be calling the dem president a traitor, calling for the death penalty, and accusing all the dem senators and congressmen of betraying the country and sheltering an enemy of the state. As far as I'm concerned every democrat should be doing the same. I'm not saying that every speech by every dem should end with the phrase Trump delendus est, but only because voters wouldn't catch the allusion.

I think it will be the inevitable proof of money laundering that will sink him. The republicans will continue pretending that his treason was just a symptom of how stupid he is, or that this was somehow still just politics. It will be far harder for them to justify continued support as more and more evidence is compiled that he was also money laundering for the Russian oligarchs.
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Trump pardoned Joe Arpaio.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41058851

Interesting timing - not just late on a Friday, but while a hurricane is making landfall on Texas...

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Trump pardoned Joe Arpaio.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41058851

Interesting timing - not just late on a Friday, but while a hurricane is making landfall on Texas...
Not interesting, planned. News cycle will be full up of hurricane news. No one will pay attention.
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This was definitely planned, he even hinted that it was going to happen during his rally earlier this week in Phoenix, but Arpaio hasn't even been sentenced yet. This also didn't go through the Justice Dept, as would normally have been the process. Not that it should really surprise that Trump would flaunt protocol.

This was going to be a huge story whenever it happened, but the timing still does seem early due to the opportunity provided by the hurricane. Republican (or at least Trump) propagandists have been trying to play this off as purely political both in terms of Arpaio's conviction as well as the pardon, thus justifying it seemingly as tit-for-tat, but Arpaio deliberately thumbed his nose at the judges who told him to stop defying court orders and to stop racially profiling everyone that just happened to look Hispanic in Maricopa County to intimidate and harass both the immigrant and the citizen Hispanic community. This was a blatantly obvious example of contempt of court. The immigration and political angles here do not matter. He was an elected sheriff that demonstrated clear contempt for the judiciary. Which, of course, is part of why Trump loves him, and why he pardoned him.

And just as with Trump, Arpaio is far more than just a racist pos.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio

There are myriad issues, but aside from immigration related ones, these are the most egregious:

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During a three-year period ending in 2007, more than 400 sex crimes reported to Arpaio's office were inadequately investigated or not investigated at all. While providing police services for El Mirage, Arizona, the MCSO under Arpaio failed to follow through on at least 32 reported child molestations, even though the suspects were known in all but six cases. Many of the victims were children of illegal immigrants.[85][89]
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In a controversial case, Arpaio's office was accused of ignoring Sabrina Morrison, a teenage girl suffering from a mental disability. On March 7, 2007, the 13-year-old was raped by her uncle, Patrick Morrison. She told her teacher the next day, and her teacher called the MCSO. A rape kit was taken, but the detective assigned to the case told Sabrina and her family that there were no obvious signs of sexual assault, no semen, or signs of trauma.[92]

As a result of the detective's statements, Sabrina was branded by her family as a liar. Her uncle continued to rape her repeatedly, saying he would kill her if she told anyone. She became pregnant by him, and had an abortion. The family did not know that the rape kit had been tested at the state lab and showed the presence of semen. The lab requested that the detective obtain a blood sample from the suspect, Patrick Morrison.[93] Instead of obtaining the blood sample, or making an arrest, the detective filed the crime-lab note and closed the case for four years.[93]

It was not until September 2011 that the sheriff's office finally obtained a blood sample from Patrick Morrison, which was a DNA match with the semen taken over four years earlier. It wasn't until February 29, 2012, that Patrick Morrison was arrested and charged with one count of sexual conduct with a minor, at which point the MCSO closed the case. Only later was Sabrina's uncle charged with additional indictments based on information obtained from Sabrina by a victim's advocate, after the MCSO had closed the case. Patrick Morrison ultimately pleaded guilty and was sentenced to 24 years in prison.[93]

In December 2011, responding to continuing media coverage of the controversy, and apparently unaware that there were hundreds of victims in these cases, Arpaio stated in a press conference, "If there were any victims, I apologize to those victims."[94]

In August 2012, Sabrina Morrison filed a $30-million notice of claim (a precursor to a lawsuit) against Joe Arpaio and Maricopa County for gross negligence, a claim which was eventually settled for $3.5 million.[95][96]
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In 1999, undercover MCSO deputies arrested James Saville, then 18 years old, and charged him with plotting to kill Arpaio with a pipe bomb. A local television station had been tipped off to the arrest by the MCSO, and broadcast footage of the arrest that evening. The MCSO held a news conference shortly after the arrest, and Arpaio appeared in interviews on local television stations, saying "If they think they are going to scare me away with bombs and everything else, it's not going to bother me."[126]

After spending four years in jail awaiting trial, Saville was about to sign a plea deal that would have sent him to prison for 20 years. Although he maintained his innocence, he was initially unwilling to take a chance on being given an even longer sentence if convicted. However, the former head of undercover investigations for the MCSO called Saville's legal team with a bombshell -- based on his review of the case, he felt that Saville had been entrapped. Although entrapment is all but impossible to prove in most jurisdictions, Saville's attorneys eventually discovered that MCSO detectives had bought the bomb parts themselves, then convinced Saville to build it even though he was not predisposed to commit such a crime. On July 9, 2003, a Maricopa County Superior Court jury acquitted Saville, finding that the bomb plot was an elaborate publicity stunt to boost Arpaio's reelection bid.[127]

In 2004, Saville sued Arpaio and Maricopa County for wrongful arrest and entrapment, seeking $10 million in damages. In 2008, the suit was settled, with Maricopa County paying Saville $1.6 million.[128][129][130]
This is an awful awful man - basically a poorer, bluer collar version of Trump.

And on top of all that, there is the hinting that this should be seen as a clear reminder to all his associates being investigated y Mueller, to not worry, to not turn their cloak and give evidence against him, that he has no shame, that he'll pardon them all. Probably including himself.
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This is an awful awful man - basically a poorer, bluer collar version of Trump.

And on top of all that, there is the hinting that this should be seen as a clear reminder to all his associates being investigated y Mueller, to not worry, to not turn their cloak and give evidence against him, that he has no shame, that he'll pardon them all. Probably including himself.
True, but two points: the President can only pardon federal crimes. You need to get the Governor to pardon for state crimes and I don't think all of them are friends of Trump.

Second, I don't think he can pardon himself. If he pardons everyone, he's the one left holding the bag. Also, it's Trump. He might pardon one guy to make it look like he'll pardon other people...and then just leave them facing the firing squad. Trump as loyalty only to himself and most people know it. They'd have to be a) desperate or b) have blackmail material on Trump before they left it up to his graciousness to pardon anyone.
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Second, I don't think he can pardon himself. If he pardons everyone, he's the one left holding the bag. Also, it's Trump. He might pardon one guy to make it look like he'll pardon other people...and then just leave them facing the firing squad. Trump as loyalty only to himself and most people know it. They'd have to be a) desperate or b) have blackmail material on Trump before they left it up to his graciousness to pardon anyone.
No one knows whether he can pardon himself. The constitution is unclear on the matter. It would almost certainly go to the Supreme Court, and could quite possibly end up a 5-4 party-line decision. As regards his associates, the one danger that he would still have to keep in mind, once pardoned, they could not assert the 5th Amendment as they could not incriminate themselves on matters for which they had already been pardoned. They would have to give testimony, and truthful testimony, or else open themselves up to new charges of perjury and/or obstruction. Of course, Trump could then pardon them again, freeing them from those new charges, but all of this would have been unfathomable before Trump. No other president would have ever pardoned a man like Arpaio. Nixon didn't even pardon his own Watergate officials. And even Watergate looks comparatively tame next to all of this.
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Is it actually legal for the president to pardon someone who has not been convicted yet?

If so, can he pardon someone for something that hasn't been done, yet?
If so, he could pardon Arpaio for killing Hillary Clinton, and then Arpaio could shoot her with impunity.
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Is it actually legal for the president to pardon someone who has not been convicted yet?

If so, can he pardon someone for something that hasn't been done, yet?
If so, he could pardon Arpaio for killing Hillary Clinton, and then Arpaio could shoot her with impunity.
Arpaio had already been convicted, just not yet sentenced. As for the rest...

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...l_pardons.html

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Wait—can a president really pardon someone who hasn't even been charged with a crime?

Yep. In 1866, the Supreme Court ruled in Ex parte Garland that the pardon power "extends to every offence known to the law, and may be exercised at any time after its commission, either before legal proceedings are taken, or during their pendency, or after conviction and judgment." (In that case, a former Confederate senator successfully petitioned the court to uphold a pardon that prevented him from being disbarred.) Generally speaking, once an act has been committed, the president can issue a pardon at any time—regardless of whether charges have even been filed.
As the Explainer has pointed out before, there aren't many limits to the president's pardon power, at least when it comes to criminal prosecutions under federal law. The president's clemency power has its origins in the practices of the English monarchy, and as a result, the Supreme Court has given the president wide leeway under Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution. There are some exceptions: The chief executive can't pardon someone for a violation of state law or nullify a civil ruling, and his power doesn't extend to convictions handed down in an impeachment proceeding. (It's also not clear whether the president can pardon himself for future convictions.)

While pre-emptive pardons remain very rare, there are a few notable exceptions. Perhaps the most famous presidential pardon of all time occurred before any charges were filed. Gerald Ford's pardon of Richard Nixon absolved the former president of "all offenses against the United States which he … has committed or may have committed or taken part in" between the date of his inauguration in 1969 and his resignation in August 1974. In other cases, presidents have pardoned individuals after criminal proceedings have begun but before a judgment has been handed down. In late 1992, less than a month before leaving office, President George H.W. Bush pardoned former Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger, who had been indicted earlier that year on perjury charges surrounding the Iran-Contra affair. (A lawyer for Roger Clemens' former trainer Brian McNamee claimed the pitcher might receive a similar pardon from Bush if he were ever indicted.) In addition, broad presidential amnesties—like the one President Carter issued to those who had avoided the draft during the Vietnam War—are essentially pre-emptive pardons issued to a large group of individuals.

If someone hasn't yet been charged with a crime, how does the president know what to pardon them for? As in Nixon's case, President Bush could issue a pardon that applies generally to any crimes that may have been committed within a certain range of dates. More likely, a pardon could apply only to actions surrounding a single policy or place—say, the detention or interrogation of suspected al-Qaida members.
So, no, presumably he couldn't pardon Arpaio for future murder of Hillary. Moreover, killing Hillary probably would be viewed as a state, not federal crime. I suppose he could order a hit of Mueller though (which should be a federal crime), then after it succeeded, pardon the hitman, and then pardon himself.

As I said, these loopholes that we once thought were too crazy to bother closing, now seem in desperate need of closing.
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Maybe instead of continuing to tweet about the need to finance his completely pointless Wall, Trump should start thinking about the hundreds of billions that will need to be spent to rebuild Houston...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.ce6125bd10e9

The flooding in Houston already is catastrophic, and the hurricane is projected to stall above the city until Wednesday.
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Maybe Trump will look at a map, decide that there's a wall of water now, and declare "Mission Accomplished". Perhaps he could even borrow GWB's famous banner for that.
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This would seem to be yet another chance for republicans to either admit that they are part of the racist wing of their party, or else to permanently distance themselves from Grand Wizard Trump.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/05/politi...ump/index.html
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This would seem to be yet another chance for republicans to either admit that they are part of the racist wing of their party, or else to permanently distance themselves from Grand Wizard Trump.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/05/politi...ump/index.html
Yeah, right. Tell me another one.
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Yeah, right. Tell me another one.
Admittedly the non-racist wing of the republican party increasingly looks like an endangered species, but there are some who seemingly are either genuinely not hiding klan regalia in their closets, or at least are slightly more cognizant of the significance of demographic trends, and so are just more pragmatic about their racism.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/05/politi...ght/index.html

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Some Republicans, including House Speaker Paul Ryan and Utah Sen. Orrin Hatch, were so concerned about what Congress would be able to accomplish on DACA in a tight timeframe that they urged Trump last week not to end the program at all.
Ryan and Hatch are definitely of that latter variety, but I'm willing to give some of the others a bit more benefit of the doubt...

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Still, there are already several pieces of legislation in Congress aimed at protecting DACA recipients, some even that are bipartisan. Sens. Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina) and Dick Durbin (D-Illinois) re-introduced their "DREAM Act" in July and on Tuesday called on Congress to pass such legislation before the end of the month.
And, Rep. CarlosCurbelo (R-Florida) has his own legislation -- the "Recognizing America's Children Act"-- which Sen. Thom Tillis (R-North Carolina) is expected to introduce in the Senate on Tuesday.
On one side of the GOP conference, there are moderates who have been working on overhauling the country's immigration system for years now. Republican Sens. Graham, John McCain of Arizona, Jeff Flake of Arizona and Marco Rubio of Florida joined with Democrats in 2013 on a bill that legalized millions. They have already vowed to do something for DACA recipients.
"President Trump's decision to eliminate DACA is the wrong approach to immigration policy at a time when both sides of the aisle need to come together to reform our broken immigration system and secure the border," McCain said in a statement. "I strongly believe that children who were illegally brought into this country through no fault of their own should not be forced to return to a country they do not know."
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Of course, the pitifully nonexistent support that Graham got during the republican primaries does tend to be indicative, not to mention the fact that it only seems to be the dems these days that ever have anything nice to say about him and McCain. It is pretty sad that the old RINO designation is shifting from use with actual progressives like Weld and Chafee, to just non-evil conservatives.
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