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Old 05-28-2008, 11:00 PM
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(Since the General section is a little slow, I thought I try throwing out this thread. With the move to the board, we need a little momentum!)

Prior to KoD, Furyk Karede had a minor part in the series. His scenes helped RJ foreshadow a little, but he wasn't absolutely necessary. By all indications, RJ was setting Karede up for an important role later on, which we obviously know now to be "rescuing" Tuon. In KoD, he went from a bit player to a major vehicle for moving the Mat/Tuon thread forward. He remains a minor character, but the events in KoD couldn't have been effectively told without him.

We already know that the central characters in this series will remain the primary drivers of the last book. What I'm wondering is what minor characters do you expect to be more heavily used to advance the plot? Which characters do you expect to have significantly more screen time in aMoL?

Some of my top candidates:

1) Moiraine: This first one is obvious. She's been trapped all this time, yet we know she'll be rescued. It would be a shame to bring her back only to have her play a small part.

2) Alivia: She's obviously fated to play a critical part in TG (helping Rand die), but for the most part she's simply been portrayed as a (powerful) bodyguard. I'm hoping aMoL sees a little more character development for her (yes, she's been a damane for 400+ years, but she's grown a lot in a very short time). That way her fated role makes more personal sense rather than simply being a convenient plot tool.

3) Verin: Her methods and motives have gathered so much interest over the series. We already know that RJ loves to utilize her PoV, but for the most part, she's always been working in the shadows. I'd like to see her play a more heavy-handed role (and in exchange, Cadsuande a less heavy-handed role), just as she did in tGH.

4) Davram Bashere: All of the Great Captains will obviously have a part to play since they need to lead the forces of Light in TG. But of these generals, Bashere has the most ties with the main characters. He's been Rand's right hand man, and he's got stuff with Perrin+Faile to resolve. If there's any "on the battlefield" PoV scenes, especially of critical battles, Bashere is my top narrative candidate. Plus, the more Bashere we get, the more Diera we get, and to me, she's one of RJ's best-written minor characters.

5) Demandred: To me, probably the most interesting of all the Forsaken. Moridin is obviously the alpha male (and a central character), but it seems like the DO singled Demandred out to do some important things behind the scenes. With one book left, and as the only Forsaken not to have major scene with him as a lead, it would be nice to spend some significant screen time with him. We don't need his PoV (though it would be nice), but at least some scenes where he gets actually do something on stage. I can easily imagine scenes where his inner thoughts help move the Shadow's side of the plot forward.

I'm sure there's more that I missed. Perhaps RJ simply intended for some of these character's threads to resolve without significantly impacting the narrative. To me, that would be a shame. I'm trying to think of interesting ways these minor characters (and others I've missed) can be like Karede--an important vehicle for moving the story forward.
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How about Loial? He's got to rally the Ogier now or never.
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very cute.

Since everyone's running screaming for Arad Domon, i'm guessing Rodel Ituralde will move up from bit part to plot mover.
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4) Davram Bashere: All of the Great Captains will obviously have a part to play since they need to lead the forces of Light in TG. But of these generals, Bashere has the most ties with the main characters. He's been Rand's right hand man, and he's got stuff with Perrin+Faile to resolve. If there's any "on the battlefield" PoV scenes, especially of critical battles, Bashere is my top narrative candidate. Plus, the more Bashere we get, the more Diera we get, and to me, she's one of RJ's best-written minor characters.
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TFoH,Ch27 - The five great captains of the Westlands are Agelmar Jagad, Davram Bashere, Gareth Bryne, Pedron Niall and Rodel Ituralde of Arad Doman.
Pedron Naill has been replaced on the list by either Mat or Lan, but the rest are pretty much in position for their part(s) in T'G.

Rodel Ituralde is in Arad Doman skirmishing with the Seanchan, but in position to take command of the are between the mountains of mist and the Aryth Ocean.

Mat was last seen crossing the border into Murandy, which puts him in position to command the Ghealdan/Murandy sector from the MOuntains of Mist to the Manatherendrelle River. (The TOG and Moiraine's rescue is on the Mantherendrelle.)

Agelmar Jagad is with the Borderland Rulers, last seenmoving from the Bream wood towards Murandy in search of Rand. That put him in positionto command the sector from the Mnatherendrelle River to the Bream Wood.

Gareth Bryne is commanding Egwene's army at Tar Valon and in positionot command from the Caralain Grass to Kinslayer's dagger.

Lan is headed for Tarwin's Gap to anchor the north east end of the line.

And last but not least, Davram Bashere, with the Legion of the Dragon and the Asha'man has a mobile reserve that is the only force on the planet trained to move through gateways effectively and able to reinforce any point in the Westlands. (or the world for that matter.)

I suspect that each and every Great Captain (and a few others) will get a POV of their portion of T'G.

BG Tyree, and Furyk Karede will likely represent the Seanchan military POVs. With a cameo appearance by Air Captain Yulan as the Seanchan expeditionary force in Tar Valon team up with Gareth Bryne to fight Shadowspawn.
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One can expect that Noal - and even BS has basically admitted that he is Farstrider - will be one of the minor characters who will advance the plot even more.

It seems most likely that he will join Mat & Thom on their rescue mission and help them with his experience to free Moiraine.

We also know from ACoS that he has to remember something crucial, that he apparently forgot due to Compulsion.

Noal's remembering of those memories could e.g. be triggered if he either meets the person who used Compulsion on him (like Nynaeve did in TSR seeing Moghedien), or a person linked to his possible orders (like Carridin did in ACoS seeing Mat).

Maybe he will reveal then something important about the Shadow and/or the Prophecies.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Farstrider dies during Moiraine's rescue.

I think Alviarin's ultimate downfall will occur in book 12, and no one's mentioned Logain yet. He'll obviously have a good part in the book. We should be seeing Hurin for the first time since early book 3, and I hope Tam will stay with Perrin and get some more time on screen (including a Rand reunion).
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Terez wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if Farstrider dies during Moiraine's rescue.

Yeah...I can see that happening...there's no real point to his character after that and he could have a noble exit.
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I get the impression mainly from the fact that she saw all those different possibilities for her rescue, and we know that she and Thom and Mat won't die, from Min's viewings etc. If someone's going to die, it has to be Farstrider.
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Yup...it just kinda makes sense that Noal wouldn't make it.
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Yeah, I can see Noal die.

Btw, did I think you forgot Lan in the original list.
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Funny, I wouldn't consider Lan or Loiail as minor characters.

I really hope Logain gets a lot of airtime- he's one of my favourites and I'd love to see more of him.

Also, I am looking forward to Aludra's cannons. Although I don't think this will propel her to the forefront per se- it is a plot line fulfillment I anticipate eagerly.
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While it certainly has some merit that the great hero Farstrider might die on his last adventure, I actually would like to have him meet one of the other important Malkieri around, namely Lan or even Slayer (in his Isam form).

As said, also something will certainly happen concerning Noal's forgotten/suppressed memories and possibly his history with Ishamael. Furthermore, the CoT header links Farstrider to the Prophecies, since he translated them.

Don't really see yet, how these things - which were obviously alluded to in CoT and KoD - could come into play before or during Moiraine's rescue, but who knows..

Another character who will most likely play again a more important part in AMoL is Gawyn, because the Dreams that he will either save or kill Egwene have yet to come true.
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The Compulsion could come into the rescue if it's in Noal's point of view. Even if it's not, we could see something about it...he thinks about how he's running out of time, and I'm wondering if that's a Compelled order or some vestige of his purpose before he was captured.
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The Compulsion could come into the rescue if it's in Noal's point of view. Even if it's not, we could see something about it...he thinks about how he's running out of time, and I'm wondering if that's a Compelled order or some vestige of his purpose before he was captured.
I wonder if he's still even under compulsion...afteralll Ishy did that like 15 years in the past...
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He might be; he might not be. Carridin had Compulsion orders for things far into the future, and those orders were hidden from his awareness, only to be triggered at the important time. He still, after all this time (might not have been so long, really) shows signs of Compulsion - I think even more than Morgase. That's saying something, isn't it? Also, there's some reason to believe that he was in Graendal's clutches rather recently.
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Minor characters who become bigger? Well firstly... I don't see Moiraine as minor. She's fallen off, but her overall role in the series, in terms of screen time and importance, rivals that of Min. But she'll get big again, I think.

Other than that, I don't know. Jordan's sometimes annoying habit of naming every single random anyone happens across makes it difficult. But I have a hunch about these guys.

Tallanvor - he's been talked about too much to just sit around and be Morgase's pretty-boy. He's been present before basically anyone except the big 3 and their direct supporting cast. RJ must have had something planned.

Aludra - this Bellfounder business is going somewhere. She's going somewhere. Maybe not huge... but important. Cannon are a big invention.

Now ones I"m certain will be big.

Berelain - lots of foreshadowing and prophecies about her. Who is the man in white? When does the Faile vs. Berelain controversy come to a head?

Logain - we know he ends up being Rand's #2 guy, and is already well on his way.

Mazrim Taim - His role has been indirect thus far, but I'm waiting for a battle for the hearts and minds of the Black Tower between him and Rand. Oooh, or maybe him and Logain... I guess we'll RAFO.

Masema - duh.

For the most part, the minor characters are going to stay that way; there is a group of 20-50 characters who crop up in person or in rumor in every book. You know they're all gonna be there at some point in this one too, even if their appearance is limited to "Wow, Aludra invented some cannons finally... lets sop talking about her now."

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Tam to really come to prominence and marry Moiraine as i so expertly predicted half way through reading tEotW
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wait wait wait.... Tam or Thom?

If Tam marries her... I will bow down to you and call you god himself for the mst unlikely, but awesome, prediction in history.
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I really hope Logain gets a lot of airtime- he's one of my favourites and I'd love to see more of him.

I'm sure you would.

I do agree though. I would like to see Logain vs. Taim.

Also, I would love to see the reunion of Rand and Tam as well.
 


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