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Old 06-08-2011, 01:59 AM
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He was practically a toddler when tigraine died, so likely someone else took over. I don't think his damodred name kept him out of the running. And by the time he came of age, he was adopted by morgase so if he was high seat morgase might be seen as having power over two houses.
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The first option seems the most likely to me. The second is really unlikely - nothing in Elayne's PoV indicates she knows Thom has killed her father.
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Come to think of it: it would be interesting to read Galad's reaction.
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He was practically a toddler when tigraine died, so likely someone else took over. I don't think his damodred name kept him out of the running. And by the time he came of age, he was adopted by morgase so if he was high seat morgase might be seen as having power over two houses.

No, you're right, it was the whole him having a penis that kept him out of it.

They only have Queens in Andor son lol
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The question was about House Mantear though, where his gender would not prohibit Galad from succeeding. I can only think his ties to Cairhien kept him from becomming high seat.

And, Galad is still alive, so Rand does have a half-brother still alive from his mother's side. Its one of the storylines I've been waiting to see come full circle finally, Galad and Rand meeting again, with Galad knowing who Rand is. (iirc, Rand knows at this point?) I don't think they've met since tEotW.

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The question was about House Mantear though, where his gender would not prohibit Galad from succeeding. I can only think his ties to Cairhien kept him from becomming high seat.
I guess the real question would be where would Taringail fit in after Tigraine's disappearance. Wouldn't he have become the defacto head of House Mantear?
Which he, along with Galad, then gave up when he married into House Trakand and Galad's subsequent adoption?

I dunno, Royal bloodlines are confusing as shit imo.
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I guess the real question would be where would Taringail fit in after Tigraine's disappearance. Wouldn't he have become the defacto head of House Mantear?
Which he, along with Galad, then gave up when he married into House Trakand and Galad's subsequent adoption?

I dunno, Royal bloodlines are confusing as shit imo.
Tarangail was of House Damodred, not Mantear. Galad could presumably have been adopted into House Mantear and made their seat, but presumably at the time they had other options, and so when Tarangail married Morgase, she adopted him, but allowed him to remain a part of the Damodred gens so that Tarangail could maintain his dream of making Galad king of Cairhien and then a daughter queen of Andor.
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I've been interested in geography and populations and such since I was a little kid, so I have a question: Has anyone compiled/calculated statistics/figures about the population of the countries, land areas, population of the cities etc. ?

The books themselves do not give answers easily, but I figure some HCFF must have done some calculations even based on the rather in adequate world map
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I've been interested in geography and populations and such since I was a little kid, so I have a question: Has anyone compiled/calculated statistics/figures about the population of the countries, land areas, population of the cities etc. ?

The books themselves do not give answers easily, but I figure some HCFF must have done some calculations even based on the rather in adequate world map
Just a guesstimate, but I think that the major cities (Caemlyn, Tear, Illian, etc.) could have around 1 million people in them. Considering that in the real world, such cities as Rome, Alexandria, the capital of the Aztec empire, and multiple Chinese cities of the middle ages and iron ages had populations of over 1 million people. So I don't think it would be too-far-fetched to say that some of the capitol cities had populations that large.
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What I have never been able to understand is how the huge armies we have seen in the series have been able to be fed/supplied etc without completely destroying the local area.

In TPoD we see the Seanchan take care to always create a supply chain. But other times there seem to just be huge amassed armies and where is all the food for them?
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Ok, I got another one.

I know Egwene was able to send a message to Nynaeve and Elayne in their dreams, but is it possible to pull someone from their dream into TAR?
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Ok, I got another one.

I know Egwene was able to send a message to Nynaeve and Elayne in their dreams, but is it possible to pull someone from their dream into TAR?
Yes, it is. The Wise Ones say you shouldn't do this, that it is a thing of evil which the forces of the Shadow did during the War of Power. The Forsaken don't seem bothered by such scruples, though, and they have been doing it fairly regularly.
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So is it similar to going into TAR 'in the flesh' in that it's somehow harms the person, or is it just something that's seen as morally wrong and should never be tried?

I know the Wise Ones know what they're talking about, but I was just wondering if it was something that was frowned upon in the distant past, that evolved into being evil. Like how morals change throughout history and societies.

Sorry if this was a long post, but I got a little carried away.
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Just a guesstimate, but I think that the major cities (Caemlyn, Tear, Illian, etc.) could have around 1 million people in them. Considering that in the real world, such cities as Rome, Alexandria, the capital of the Aztec empire, and multiple Chinese cities of the middle ages and iron ages had populations of over 1 million people. So I don't think it would be too-far-fetched to say that some of the capitol cities had populations that large.
I have hard time imagining a million people in a city based on the drawings of the cities in the books. There simply are not enough city blocks.

And it seems that most of the cities do not have sub-urbs in sense we understand them. Villages and hamlets outside the walls. But hardly to make up the numbers for a million inhabitants. Well. To my mind comes 2 rather large sub-urbs. One shanty town in Tear and one in Ebou Dar. Can't remember their names atm.

I would peg the population of the cities to 100k. Maybe 200k tops with Tear.

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Old 06-09-2011, 05:36 AM
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So is it similar to going into TAR 'in the flesh' in that it's somehow harms the person, or is it just something that's seen as morally wrong and should never be tried?

I know the Wise Ones know what they're talking about, but I was just wondering if it was something that was frowned upon in the distant past, that evolved into being evil. Like how morals change throughout history and societies.
From what I remember of it, we do not have enough information to answer this question.
That need not stop you from speculating, of course, but if you, you'll get slapped down with a "you have no evidence for that" now and then.

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Don't worry. It did not need to be split up, which has happened to posts of a number of the regular posters here (including me) now and then. The board only allows some specific (but unknown to me at the moment) maximum size of posts, and you were nowhere near that.
You do actually use punctuation and even line breaks, so your post is very readable.
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To add to the responses to Looqas' question, one interesting thing population-wise is that, at least until very recently, the overall population in the Westlands (at least) was/is declining, and was thought to be partly a symptom of the Dark One's touch on the pattern. That may be starting to fix itself now with Rand about, much like the grain.
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To add to the responses to Looqas' question, one interesting thing population-wise is that, at least until very recently, the overall population in the Westlands (at least) was/is declining, and was thought to be partly a symptom of the Dark One's touch on the pattern.
I believe it was thought more to be a result of war than anything else, aside from Ingtar's fatalism. Of course, it might have been the result of the discovery of heartleaf tea.
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I believe it was thought more to be a result of war than anything else, aside from Ingtar's fatalism. Of course, it might have been the result of the discovery of heartleaf tea.
Which should change if the inventions at Rand's school are any indication as well as Aviendha's showing of the future. While the later can change for the better it seems an industrial revolution is on its way and that should be accompanied by a massive population boom. Also, consider the baby boomers it seems possible there will be a period of peace (~20years) or so in which people have lots of kids before the "peace of the Dragon" is broken; if it is at all now that Rand made the correct choice.
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What I have never been able to understand is how the huge armies we have seen in the series have been able to be fed/supplied etc without completely destroying the local area.
I've just written off the size of armies in the WOT as FM. RJ was very good about many things, especially military things, but he completely fornicated the canine on population sizes. The three-fold land could realistically support about 1/100th of the population RJ has in just the warrior societies.
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