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- how far is Elayne's pregnancy now? Is she due before LB?
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She's about 4 months pregnant at the end of TOM.
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She's about 4 months pregnant at the end of TOM.

If her midwife is hearing two distinct heartbeats, it would have to be closer to 5 months or more.

That's of course assuming RJ/BS is being medically accurate, which might be a big assumption.
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The same midwife can perform urinalysis by taste, so she might have superhuman senses :P
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If you are really curious about Elayne's pregnancy, there's even a WOTFAQ article on this - How far along is Elayne's pregnancy?

It's not updated after ToM though, which means one more month should be added, so she's about 5 months pregnant.
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Hopefully she craps out the day after the kids are born. That'd be Karma that would make me happy.
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Has there ever been conjecture or discussion about Shadow ta'veren? Specifically, that Ishamael/Moridin is a ta'veren? Assuming this is viable, would the golden aura surrounding ta'veren that people with the Talent possess appear black for Shadow ta'veren?
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If you are really curious about Elayne's pregnancy, there's even a WOTFAQ article on this - How far along is Elayne's pregnancy?

It's not updated after ToM though, which means one more month should be added, so she's about 5 months pregnant.
Or you could just check the WoT chronologies yourself.

Steven Cooper's chronology hasn't been updated for TOM, but by his chronology, we know that Elayne and Rand did their thing (WH, Ch. 12, A Lily in Winter) on day 696.

According to tentative chronologies for TOM (one is here), the book ends around day 846, which makes Elayne ~150 days, or ~15 WoT weeks (~21.4 real world weeks), or ~5 1/3 WoT months (~ 5 real world months), pregnant at the end of TOM.
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Has there ever been conjecture or discussion about Shadow ta'veren? Specifically, that Ishamael/Moridin is a ta'veren? Assuming this is viable, would the golden aura surrounding ta'veren that people with the Talent possess appear black for Shadow ta'veren?
RJ spoke about this on his blog, and said it would be unlikely for a Darkfriend to be made ta'veren:

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If they were at the top of the 2nd Age then it's likely they were both the strongest channelers to ever live (not counting Rand's superpowers once per Turning, presumably).
What's this about super powers once a turning?
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What's this about super powers once a turning?
Since he has superpowers now (presumably), then also presumably it probably happens every time the 3rd Age comes around.
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If you are really curious about Elayne's pregnancy, there's even a WOTFAQ article on this - How far along is Elayne's pregnancy?

It's not updated after ToM though, which means one more month should be added, so she's about 5 months pregnant.
So Rand won't see his twins. Too bad. Unless he lives again after the LB.
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Okay, I did ask this question in the thread where we were talking about something else, and I didn't get a response, so I'm going to ask it here: is there any indication either way, from the books or interviews, that Moridin, Cyndane, Aran'gar and Osan'gar (or any one or ones from that number) were anyone important before they were recycled into bodies for the Forsaken?
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I thought I answered that. The answer is no; the only theory that gained any ground was that Cyndane's body belonged to Cabriana, but Maria debunked that.
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I thought I answered that. The answer is no; the only theory that gained any ground was that Cyndane's body belonged to Cabriana, but Maria debunked that.
No you didn't, but thanks for answering it here - as I said in the Broken Wolf thread I couldn't find a quote myself but I know you have more extensive knowledge in that area.
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No you didn't, but thanks for answering it here - as I said in the Broken Wolf thread I couldn't find a quote myself but I know you have more extensive knowledge in that area.
I answered it on Dragonmount. Are you Thorgan?
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No, I'm no-one except me. Well, and Gnat. But he was me in a previous turning of the wheel. I don't post at Dragonmount.
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Since he has superpowers now (presumably), then also presumably it probably happens every time the 3rd Age comes around.

What Superpowers?

How the sky clears for him or his ability to sense people around him?

No idea if the the sky cleared for LTT or if the sky was even tainted by the DO the same as it is now but he was definitely able to sense people around him. That was evidenced day 1, right in tEotW Prologue.

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