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Of course, with Andor's reverse Salic Law, this personal union of Andor & Cairhien's thrones will end the moment one of Elayne's descendents fails to have a daughter that survives them. Andor's throne will then pass to whichever female relative has the best claim instead of the direct male heir.
Is it actually quite a reverse Salic law? Under Salic law the throne can only pass through the male line, so you have to keep going back until you find a male with a son who can inherit the throne. Is Andor quite that strict?
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Seems like Andor's laws require you to have some amount of Ishara's blood, and the political power to back the claim up. But it still seems like Cairhien's laws would need to change to mirror Andor's for any enduring stability to occur.
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4. Elayne is a capable ruler and intelligent young woman more than capable of dealing with the plots of the Cairhienin, even if she does sometimes veer towards the foolish side of brave.
I think your underestimating her "damsel in distress" attribute.
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Is it actually quite a reverse Salic law? Under Salic law the throne can only pass through the male line, so you have to keep going back until you find a male with a son who can inherit the throne. Is Andor quite that strict?
They may be able to keep the throne in trakand if a niece or whatever is close enough. i doubt they will require a female with a daughter though. dyelin must be post menopause, and i dont think she has kids.

the real issue is that men have equal rights in cairhien. unless elayne wants to be an andoran queen of cairhien she won't impose restrictions on male rights that are fully andoran in origin.
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I think your underestimating her "damsel in distress" attribute.
My point was that when it comes to politics she's more than capable. When it comes to "not being kidnapped by people who are evil" she's pretty near the bottom of the class.
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Ah, the old NBKBPWAE. An excellent statistic to approximate life span and competence.
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Ah, the old NBKBPWAE. An excellent statistic to approximate life span and competence.
Yes, but the NBKBPWAE doesn't go hand in hand with political skill. I mean, look at me. I've never been kidnapped by anyone who was evil*, and I have next to no political skill.

*I was once kidnapped by someone who was rather misguided, however.
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But in WoT the more times you get kidnapped and the longer you spent as captive, the better politician you are. Egwene was kidnapped the most, and she's apparently a political mastermind. Elayne was kidnapped a lot, and she's really good too. Faile spent months as a captive so of course she's a good politician too. On the other hand, someone like Perrin was only captured briefly at the very start of the series, that's why he remains clueless about politics. It's a clear trend.
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But in WoT the more times you get kidnapped and the longer you spent as captive, the better politician you are. Egwene was kidnapped the most, and she's apparently a political mastermind. Elayne was kidnapped a lot, and she's really good too. Faile spent months as a captive so of course she's a good politician too. On the other hand, someone like Perrin was only captured briefly at the very start of the series, that's why he remains clueless about politics. It's a clear trend.
This may be the best supported of all the bizarre theories I have ever seen.
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But in WoT the more times you get kidnapped and the longer you spent as captive, the better politician you are. Egwene was kidnapped the most, and she's apparently a political mastermind. Elayne was kidnapped a lot, and she's really good too. Faile spent months as a captive so of course she's a good politician too. On the other hand, someone like Perrin was only captured briefly at the very start of the series, that's why he remains clueless about politics. It's a clear trend.
Egwene has never to my mind been kidnapped. She was briefly held captive and tortured by Lanfear, but it was very brief.
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Egwene has never to my mind been kidnapped. She was briefly held captive and tortured by Lanfear, but it was very brief.
Well, there were the few months she was a damane to think about too...as well as her imprisonment in the Tower under Elaida.

But we can ignore those if it makes you happy.
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Ummmm...
  • Captured/kidnapped by the Children of the Light
  • Captured/kidnapped and given to the Seanchan
  • Captured/kidnapped by Darkfriends on her way to Tear
  • Captured/kidnapped by the Black Ajah in Tear
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I dunno dude...seems like a lot to me
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Ummmm...
  • Captured/kidnapped by the Children of the Light
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I dunno dude...seems like a lot to me
Five? Five is nothing. Not compared to Elayne. She's actually spent more time being kidnapped off-screen.

But yes, now that I think about it Eggy is oddly kindap-happy. I think I overlooked it because I'm in the middle of LOC and she goes un-kidnapped for several books.
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Elayne is still behind with only four so far - in Cairhien on the way to Tear, BA in Tear, Ronde Macura in TFOH, and the BA in KOD. Plus none of this lasted more than a day, Egwene was twice held for months. So clearly Egwene is a much better politician.

Admittedly Thom is a big exception to the rule, he should really gets captured long term soon to restore the balance.
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Elayne is still behind with only four so far - in Cairhien on the way to Tear, BA in Tear, Ronde Macura in TFOH, and the BA in KOD. Plus none of this lasted more than a day, Egwene was twice held for months. So clearly Egwene is a much better politician.

Admittedly Thom is a big exception to the rule, he should really gets captured long term soon to restore the balance.
He spent years as Morgase's love-slave before the series, does that count?
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Maybe thom was kidnapped. By morgase. A little tylin-duckling thing going.

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I'm a little surprised this hasn't been put into its own thread by now. Terez doesn't like discussions here. But I guess she's gone or is just viewing as a guest.
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Taim and Logain were both captured/kidnapped by AS. Logain twice, and for longer both times. So obviously he's the best at politics of those two. On the other hand, he has saddled himself with a pair of AS who are becoming ever better at politics themselves and are not entirely happy captives, which may offset his advantage.
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There is definitely a correlation here. Rand didn't really start doing anything particularly clever politically until after Dumai's Wells. What is it with being kidnapped?
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Just imagine how Moiraine will be after all the time she spent in Finnland as captive. She was already a master schemer before that, now she'd probably take over the world with complete ease.
 


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