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I've recently purchased New Spring, my local bookstore has only just got it in stock. Doing a read-through and I've noticed one scene in Chapter 7: The Itch when describing items in Kerene's room.

I'm just to curious if anyone else thinks this could be further foreshadowing to Perrin gaining a crown, be it of Two Rivers or even the Broken Crown? It just minds me of the Perrin singing in high-chant whilst wearing a crown possible foreshadow.
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The fact that the hammer is broken in two might also hint at something, perhaps Perrin's death. I think that's more likely than him gaining a crown at this stage; the firedrop being good enough for a crown might just hint at glory, if it is foreshadow.
The crown is pretty certain, from a combination of Min's viewing of the broken crown, the line of succession, Bashere's suspicions of why Perrin hooked up with Faile, and Brandon's comment that seems to indicate that the crown/high chant line was indeed foreshadowing.
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The crown is pretty certain, from a combination of Min's viewing of the broken crown, the line of succession, Bashere's suspicions of why Perrin hooked up with Faile, and Brandon's comment that seems to indicate that the crown/high chant line was indeed foreshadowing.
Most of which are later in the series than the beginning of TPOD, so forgive me if my fuzzy memory is letting me down.
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I think it's just interesting how direct a correlation it is between the two foreshadows, especially considering there doesn't seem to be a great deal of viewings/dreams for Perrin, aside from various avian based ones.
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The crown is pretty certain, from a combination of Min's viewing of the broken crown, the line of succession, Bashere's suspicions of why Perrin hooked up with Faile, and Brandon's comment that seems to indicate that the crown/high chant line was indeed foreshadowing.
Most of which are later in the series than the beginning of TPOD, so forgive me if my fuzzy memory is letting me down.
Actually, none of them are post-TPOD. The Foreshadowing was in TGH, and Perrin met Bashere in LOC. The line of succession was made clear in TOM, but we always suspected Faile was second based on the fact that Bashere and Faile are Tenobia's only relatives we know of. We know she doesn't have children.
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Actually, none of them are post-TPOD. The Foreshadowing was in TGH, and Perrin met Bashere in LOC. The line of succession was made clear in TOM, but we always suspected Faile was second based on the fact that Bashere and Faile are Tenobia's only relatives we know of. We know she doesn't have children.
The vision of Perrin wearing a crown and speaking in High Chant is in one of the BS books, wasn't it? That was what I was referring to specifically, and the fact that the line of succession wasn't 100% clear yet. The fact that there's a broken crown viewing in TGH is little for me to go on on its own. But anyway, I am doing a reread and I will make foolish mistakes; these two things may not be linked.
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The vision of Perrin wearing a crown and speaking in High Chant is in one of the BS books, wasn't it?
I said it was in TGH. Pay attention. (Brandon mentioned it on his reread, assuming that's what he was talking about - which I think we can.)
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The vision of Perrin wearing a crown and speaking in High Chant is in one of the BS books, wasn't it?
Yes, it wasn't.

As Terez has said a couple of times (and as I've been saying for years now), it is this scene:
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"He is a man, Leane Sedai," Lan said firmly, "no more, and no less. We are what we are."
The Aes Sedai shook her head. "The world grows stranger every day. I suppose the blacksmith will wear a crown and speak in High Chant. Wait here." She vanished inside to announce them.
Of course, half the chapters (and many of the books) are titled "the Dragon Reborn", so your confusion is somewhat understandable.
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Yes, it wasn't.

As Terez has said a couple of times (and as I've been saying for years now), it is this scene:
Of course, half the chapters (and many of the books) are titled "the Dragon Reborn", so your confusion is somewhat understandable.
The reason why I probably overlooked it as prophecy is because it isn't a prophecy, then.
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Is it possible that the "right given to another" Shaidar Haran mentions to Graendal refers not to the killing of Rand, but to the messing with his head? After all, Rand thought Lanfear was dead too, and she certainly is having an effect. Not to mention the fact that Demandred seems to have been promised the opportunity to kill Rand, ahead of the other Forsaken. Before Graendal obtained Moridin's favor.

Has it been confirmed that SH was referring to the killing of Rand? Or is this a theory?
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It is unlikely the Creator will play a part.

1. It was the Creator or the DO in the eye of the world saying : 'I WILL NOT TAKE PART.
2. In a pov of Rand, there was talking about how the creator has many flowers or gardens and that it wouldn't matter if one would die.
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Welcome to Theoryland!

As you're a complete newbie with only this question to your belt, I imagine you don't necessarily know about the WOT Reference Library, mostly put together by Terez. It's a great resource and a good way of finding things out and evidence for your theories and ideas, including a comprehensive interview database that has a lot of answers.

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Someone asked him about the Creator...he gave the distinct impression that he wouldn't even contemplate havng the Creator step in, nor is there any real Creator worship, because there is no need, the effects of the Creator are all around the citizens of Randland. I believe he's said that much previously. He quoted Terry Pratchett (from Mort, I think) regarding the way belief works.
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A perfect Creator should create a perfect creation. To act, miraculously or no, on this world, would be tantamount to acknowleding imperfection in Himself. So, when humanity screwed things up, they've been left on their own to "patch" things up.
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Who says the Creator takes little interest in the activities of mankind? And I will neither confirm nor deny that the Creator spoke to Rand.
All of which tends to imply the Creator cannot or will not take part in the final book. But if the DO gets out and the world is destroyed, I'd say all bets are off.
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In his 1997 interview with SFX magazine, RJ stated (paraphrased) "in defeating the DO, the good guys can expect absolutely no help off the Creator, and no miracles will occur."
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1. It was the Creator or the DO in the eye of the world saying : 'I WILL NOT TAKE PART.
That was the Dark One.

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That was Moridin.
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That was the Dark One.
Who is also the Creator, of course.

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But Moridin/Ishamael never was real; he is merely a construct of LTT's insanity.

Seriously: do you have evidence that it was the DO who chatted with Rand in TEOTW?
I thought that was still unclear, but I may have missed some tweet or such.
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Gosh, give me quote by Brandon or Harriet or the rest of team jordan saying it was the Dark One. As I said it was the DO or the Creator.


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If I remember correctly it was in a Rand point of view chapter. I phrased it like that, because i couldn't remember exactly who said it.
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If I remember correctly it was in a Rand point of view chapter. I phrased it like that, because i couldn't remember exactly who said it.
It was a Rand POV, but it was supposed to be a big hint about the link with Moridin, and how it was affecting Rand. He observed that the thought didn't seem like his own, but it didn't seem like Lews Therin either. Since it was all nihilistically philosophistic, it's pretty safe to assume that this is Moridin's worldview, rather than Rand's or Lews Therin's.
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On this, I agree with Isabel...give a citation proving it was the Dark One.
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