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I was aware of that quote when I made the post. It doesn't say what you claimed it said.
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I was aware of that quote when I made the post. It doesn't say what you claimed it said.
Could you clarify what you mean by that, Terez? It certainly seems to suggest Demandred had a shot at being Dragon.
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I was aware of that quote when I made the post. It doesn't say what you claimed it said.
Well, I certainly didn't expect to convince you. Maybe Frenchie and Weird Harold though. There's arrogant and then there's flat out delusional, and I dont think I'm the latter.
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Is the predictions link still being used? I posted a few of my own but it seems that part of the site is dead
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Like random small predictions? I started a thread for it. I can dig it up if you want.
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Yeah, that's exactly what I had in mind here.
It got off topic on occasion, and has a big thumbs down as the icon for reasons I don't recall, but it did its job. And it allows for the discussion of some more interesting predictions.
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Well, I certainly didn't expect to convince you. Maybe Frenchie and Weird Harold though. There's arrogant and then there's flat out delusional, and I dont think I'm the latter.
There is a big difference bewtween thinking someone could have been the dragon andthe real world outside of those pettey delusions.
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Could you clarify what you mean by that, Terez? It certainly seems to suggest Demandred had a shot at being Dragon.
What WH said. It's a specific soul with a specific role. Demandred had a shot at being the #1 general for the Light, and if that had happened, he might not have turned. But there was this pesky Lews Therin dude...

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What WH said. It's a specific soul with a specific role. Demandred had a shot at being the #1 general for the Light, and if that had happened, he might not have turned. But there was this pesky Lews Therin dude...

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But Graendal explicitly states that he could have been the Dragon, not "The top general for the Light" or any such. I'm afraid I'm firmly with The Unreasoner here; whether or not Lews Therin was destined to be The Dragon, it looks like the name was a title bestowed.
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But Graendal explicitly states that he could have been the Dragon, not "The top general for the Light" or any such. I'm afraid I'm firmly with The Unreasoner here; whether or not Lews Therin was destined to be The Dragon, it looks like the name was a title bestowed.
Maybe. Or she could have just meant that he may have come to be called Dragon in LTT's place, if things had gone differently. (Completely disregarding that that would be impossible, since he had the wrong soul for that). I am not sure this quote is saying that the Dragon was a title. I think it is more just what the people started calling him (unlike the Forsaken who came up with their own names).
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Most Forsaken didn't come up with those names, but adopted them when people started using them. Lanfear is specifically listed as being exceptional in that she had chosen her new name.
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So (putting words in your mouth) you are saying that LTT was the same as the Forsaken. All (but Lanfear) were given names
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So (putting words in your mouth) you are saying that LTT was the same as the Forsaken. All (but Lanfear) were given names
Both the sun and a basketball are spherical. This does not make the sun the same as a basketball.
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So (putting words in your mouth) you are saying that LTT was the same as the Forsaken. All (but Lanfear) were given names
LTT was given a name that can be considered a forsaken name, "Kinslayer"

As for his being named Dragon, there is no mention of 2nd age prophecies regarding him, but nothing precluding said prophecies either. Either he was named Dragon as an honorary title, or he met some conditions like Rand did, and was proclaimed as such. LTT certainly accumulated quite a stash of nicknames, but that makes sense, befitting his overall importance.
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LTT was given a name that can be considered a forsaken name, "Kinslayer"

As for his being named Dragon, there is no mention of 2nd age prophecies regarding him, but nothing precluding said prophecies either.
Graendal made another comment that seems to preclude prophecies about him. He was the Dragon, not the Dragon Reborn; before she woke up in the 3rd Age she'd supposedly never heard of a specific person reborn according to prophecy.
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Graendal made another comment that seems to preclude prophecies about him. He was the Dragon, not the Dragon Reborn; before she woke up in the 3rd Age she'd supposedly never heard of a specific person reborn according to prophecy.
Not all prophecies/foretellings/etc. refer specifically to reborn souls... maybe there was a 2nd age Nicola spouting out stuff like "a Lion, a Dedicated Spear, and She Who Sees Beyond"... but substitute a Dragon who will lead the battle against the Shadow. Just an example obviously since there are no quotes to prove or disprove said prophecies.
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Not all prophecies/foretellings/etc. refer specifically to reborn souls... maybe there was a 2nd age Nicola spouting out stuff like "a Lion, a Dedicated Spear, and She Who Sees Beyond"... but substitute a Dragon who will lead the battle against the Shadow. Just an example obviously since there are no quotes to prove or disprove said prophecies.
Yes, but without a previous Dragon, then it's hard to claim that it's a title taken from prophecy.
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Yes, but without a previous Dragon, then it's hard to claim that it's a title taken from prophecy.
Have you reversed your position? If it's not a title taken from prophecy, it must just be something that was assigned to the leader of the time. If that's the case then Demandred did have a shot at being the Dragon. Unless you're suggesting that LTT also proclaimed himself or something.
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