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I may misremember but has anyone actually asked her where she got it? If Rand got all jealous about it I wouldn't tell him anything either. But did Elayne flat out ask about it? It may just be a case of idle wondering on the one part and simply not actively telling everyone "Oh this little thing? Yeah, the now Amyrlin gave it to me. We are good friends, you know"
Other than Rand, I don't think anyone ever asked. The interesting part is it came from Kadere, the Darkfriend peddler. Of course not everything he traded with the Aiel could be troublesome, but I would think Lanfear/Keille would be interested in anything Rand's girl from the Two Rivers bought. Ultimately, I am sure it was just another way to advance the Avi/Rand plot line at that point, nothing sinister.
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Rand asked, and Aviendha said she'd gotten it from a friend.
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I may misremember but has anyone actually asked her where she got it? If Rand got all jealous about it I wouldn't tell him anything either. But did Elayne flat out ask about it? It may just be a case of idle wondering on the one part and simply not actively telling everyone "Oh this little thing? Yeah, the now Amyrlin gave it to me. We are good friends, you know"
I am not certain if Elayne asked or not, just that Elayne internally thought about it.
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So i was reading the part where rand was talking to that philosopher guy in his school and they were saying that as the wheel turns and all that it eventually has to get back to the point where the bore was not longer drilled into (or atleast patched so well that the people who drill into the bore cant tell its been patched, so an age can come like the AoL where they first drilled into it). anyways i was just thinking that if the wheel keeps turning and what not, hasent the dark one already won? He gets an infinite number of tries to break free, and one slip on the side of the Light and he'll break free. Assuming someone dosent kill the Dark One of course. so do you guys ever feel like its all for naught, cuz in an age or two the Dark One will get his chance all over again.
Also any one have any ideas on how its possible to seal the bore to the point where Aes Seadi in the AoL we know couldn't detect it. (the seal or patch, people in past ages have made.) or do i not fully understand the concept?
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At which point it would be a bit late, though, wouldn't it?
I mean, if he only notices after he's lost the battle and is shielded, what good would it do him?


That does assume that there is anything to notice in time. And it also assumes that Rand would be in a position to notice those things before the fight is really fully started, cause after that it would be a bit late. As you may remember, when he did go after Sammael, they did exchange fire for a while without actually seeing each other at all.


Which would only work if you assume that Sammael doesn't know whether or not it would be possible to detect that a man is linked to others. If he knew that it could not be detected, then he wouldn't be bothered by this (im-)possibility.

But if it is possible, then I'm wondering whether there's any indication in the books of it. And, of course, I can supply the answer, come to think of it:

Don't know why I didn't think of this earlier.
Here's another relevant quote (from With the Choedan Kal):
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Suddenly he saw people off to the right ahead of him through the trees, and sheltered behind a rough gray trunk. A bald-headed old man with a fringe of white hair was limping along between two women, one of them beautiful in a wild way, the other stunning. What were they doing in these woods? Who were they? Friends of al’Thor, or just people in the wrong place at the wrong time? He hesitated to kill them, whoever they were. Any use of the Power would warn al’Thor. He would have to wait until they passed. The old man’s head was turning as if he were searching for something among the trees, but Demandred doubted a fellow that decrepit could see very far.


Abruptly the old man stopped and thrust out his hand straight toward Demandred, and Demandred found himself frantically fending off a net of saidin that struck his warding much harder than it should have, as hard as his own spinning would. That tottering old man was an Asha’man! And at least one of the women must be what passed for Aes Sedai in this time, and joined with the fellow in a ring.
Of course, here he doesn't sense it until later. Nothing obvious, at least. In fact, he may have just come to the right conclusion with faulty reasoning (if he doesn't know Flinn, how would he know how strong Flinn is?). And not alot of time to react to the info.

But I think it's safe to assume the possibility, if only because Graendal acknowledged one (and Sammaeal was there to call BS). And Rand probably would have had enough time to run and hide/escape, much like one of the Fisher's two sides.
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Also any one have any ideas on how its possible to seal the bore to the point where Aes Seadi in the AoL we know couldn't detect it. (the seal or patch, people in past ages have made.) or do i not fully understand the concept?
First, you have to remember that it will be a very, very, very, long time before the Wheel Turns back to the end of a new Second Age (AOL.) More than enough time for any scars in the Pattern to Heal. (Or, weather away to nothing.)

Second, It took most of the AOL for Channeling to become ubiquitous enough that a further source of power was needed. It is entirely possible that the "thinness in the Pattern" was detectible throughout the Second Age, but nobody had any reason to look for it; or possibly lacked the knowledge and skill required to find it if they did look.

Finally, The WOT is a largely predestinationist cosmology. Nobody noticed the "Thinness in the Pattern" because the person predestined to discover it wasn't spun out until it was time for it to be discovered.

That final point is also the answer to your first question; Ishamael/Moridin belives it is all pointless because the DO will eventually win, but re-read Rand's Epiphany on Dragonmount for the opposing view.
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hey thanks, yeah i am looking forward to AMoL cant wait to re read it. one more question, when Nynaeve and Elyane are in Salidar and there is a bubble of evil, they link with Anyia and told her that it was a bubble of evil but she didnt listen. then afterwards she listened and Nynaeve said that she seemed disapointed that is wasn't one of the forsaken or darkfriends. she also said something stirred in the back of her head, but she was much to tired to think about it. i am wondering you guys knew what this is all about. was it just that Anyia was glad to think that they held up against a forsaken? or was there more to this than that?
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hey thanks, yeah i am looking forward to AMoL cant wait to re read it. one more question, when Nynaeve and Elyane are in Salidar and there is a bubble of evil, they link with Anyia and told her that it was a bubble of evil but she didnt listen. then afterwards she listened and Nynaeve said that she seemed disapointed that is wasn't one of the forsaken or darkfriends. she also said something stirred in the back of her head, but she was much to tired to think about it. i am wondering you guys knew what this is all about. was it just that Anyia was glad to think that they held up against a forsaken? or was there more to this than that?
They wanted it to be the Forsaken because it would aid their political agenda regarding the Black Tower. Large circles to fight strong channelers is a good argument. Large circles to fight bubbles of evil is less compelling (like Cadsuane declining the link in the ACoS fog)
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The Black Tower barely existed at that time; Rand took Taim to the farm 8 days previous. They wanted to believe it was the Forsaken because bubbles of evil were evidence that the Dark One himself was touching the world. The Forsaken are, in this case, the lesser evil, and preferable to the truth. Also, Anaiya probably seemed disappointed because she wanted to believe that, in the case of a Forsaken attack, they were sufficiently prepared. They were very proud of themselves for that plan.
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The Black Tower barely existed at that time; Rand took Taim to the farm 8 days previous. They wanted to believe it was the Forsaken because bubbles of evil were evidence that the Dark One himself was touching the world. The Forsaken are, in this case, the lesser evil, and preferable to the truth. Also, Anaiya probably seemed disappointed because she wanted to believe that, in the case of a Forsaken attack, they were sufficiently prepared. They were very proud of themselves for that plan.
Against the advice of counsel, I respond with Rand and the BT. Feeling secure is an esoteric goal, convinving the Hall to strongly ally with Rand (and later, the BT) was more specific (and likely the stronger motivator).

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It doesn't matter because they had no plans for the Black Tower at that time, seeing as how it barely existed. And you said nothing about Rand in your previous post.

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And yet it had nothing to do with their plan for the Forsaken, nor did it have anything to do with Anaiya's disappointment.
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It doesn't matter because they had no plans for the Black Tower at that time, seeing as how it barely existed. And you said nothing about Rand in your previous post.
Well, there's a simple explanation: I was mistaken on the timing. However, I think political agendas regarding Rand (later expanded to the BT) are more compelling for evidence than a 'sense of security'.

Admitting fault...
You should try it some time.

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Well, there's a simple explanation: I was mistaken on the timing. However, I think political agendas regarding Rand (later expanded to the BT) are more compelling for evidence than a 'sense of security'.
It might make more sense to you, but there is not a single scrap of evidence to support it.

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I do it all the time, but only when I'm wrong. You resist it even when you're clearly wrong, usually by trying to pretend that you said something other than what you actually said, or trying to pretend like whoever you're arguing with said something different than what they actually said.
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I'm tired of talking to you.

Congrats on not screwing up the TEotW Voice question this time around.
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Congrats on being a troll. You're welcome to your opinion on the voice, but it's honestly baffling that you keep bringing it up like it's some kind of notch in your belt.
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What is the duration and frequency of Rand and Min sexing it up? So is Min infertile? Seeing as Rand has extremely potent sperm, I find it hard to believe the Min haven't even conceived yet.
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Heartleaf tea, my friend. Min is taking precautions. Although it does raise the question of OP-related contraceptive/ barriers, doesn't it?
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Good point - since in general we've seen that most Aes Sedai sneer at the use of herbs (save Moiraine, as far as I remember), what is Gabrelle doing, for example, since there is no indication she is expecting.
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I'm thinking a little wall of Air, put somewhere useful?
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