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Actually, it's just like the trick for ignoring heat and cold.
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I recall reading a book years ago about time travel, etc where a girl trades places with her great grandmother, it was called The Mirror. In that book the main character is trying to figure out contraception, and a bordello owner or someone shows her how to use a penny sort of as an IUD/Diaphragm. As a 15 year old I remember thinking...hmmmmmmm...regarding birth control in "the olden days" of the 1800-early 1900 Americas. I would equate that time to Randland in many ways. So yeah, maybe there was another unusual use for the Tar Valon coins If you don't believe in herbs, you must believe in gold
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I was wondering about the slowing of age.

Is it determined by how strong (potential) a channeler is,
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Is it determined by how strong (potential) a channeler is,
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So, just to be clear.
A channeler that stops using the one power still benefit from the slowing in the same extent as a frequent user of the one power.
(when they have the same potential)

Is that correct?
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So, just to be clear.
A channeler that stops using the one power still benefit from the slowing in the same extent as a frequent user of the one power.
(when they have the same potential)

Is that correct?
He says the Power acts as a natural rejuvenator, so presumably you'd have to actually use it. Note that severed people, both stilled and gentled, don't generally live very long because they just lose the will to live. That to me says they lose the rejuvenating effect as well.
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He says the Power acts as a natural rejuvenator, so presumably you'd have to actually use it. Note that severed people, both stilled and gentled, don't generally live very long because they just lose the will to live. That to me says they lose the rejuvenating effect as well.
I don't know about that... Presumably the Slowing is unlocked when a person starts channeling (case in point: sul'dam have normal lifespans even though they work with power on a daily basis). However, we see Morgase: her ability in the Power is really negligible yet it's mentioned that she looks considerably younger than she ought to. Remember the trouble she had to even channel that little trickle back in the Aiel camp? with that kind of trouble, and her insecurity about even attempting to embrace the Source I'd think that she hadn't channeled (almost?) at all since leaving the Tower, yet the Slowing continued.

A similar example would be Sorilea but she's much stronger than Morgase in that she at least can embrace the Power whenever she wants to.

which makes me think how weird it is that being able to embrace the power would be determined by how strong you are instead of it being a mind trick same as ignoring heat/cold. Because either that, or *somebody* deliberately sabotaged Morgase's study, right?
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I don't know about that... Presumably the Slowing is unlocked when a person starts channeling (case in point: sul'dam have normal lifespans even though they work with power on a daily basis). However, we see Morgase: her ability in the Power is really negligible yet it's mentioned that she looks considerably younger than she ought to. Remember the trouble she had to even channel that little trickle back in the Aiel camp? with that kind of trouble, and her insecurity about even attempting to embrace the Source I'd think that she hadn't channeled (almost?) at all since leaving the Tower, yet the Slowing continued.

A similar example would be Sorilea but she's much stronger than Morgase in that she at least can embrace the Power whenever she wants to.

which makes me think how weird it is that being able to embrace the power would be determined by how strong you are instead of it being a mind trick same as ignoring heat/cold. Because either that, or *somebody* deliberately sabotaged Morgase's study, right?
Sul'dam don't actually touch the source themselves, though. As for Morgase, she might just be young looking. Some people are. Especially since RJ said channelling ability was key to the prolongation of life, so she can't be getting much benefit from channelling.
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Yes, Morgase has slowed, and that is exactly why there is so much emphasis on her looking only ten years older than Perrin when she has children the ages of Elayne and Gawyn.

Regarding the percentage of women who could test for the shawl, it would be 62.5% of the bellcurve. I'll leave the maths to you for an idle moment. The question doesn't really apply to men, since the Black Tower accepts anyone who can learn to channel, but if the White Tower limits were applied, it would be roughly 65.4% of the bellcurve. Although, considering the effectiveness question, they should probably set it at the same 62.5%. Again, the maths are all yours. Regarding the levels of male strength, while the weakest man and the weakest woman would be roughly equivalent, you might say that there are several levels of male strength on top of the female levels. Remember to integrate this with what I've said elsewhere about effectiveness, though.
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Sul'dam don't actually touch the source themselves, though.
that's exactly what I just said, except the Power has to flow through them (eh... with their permission, anyways) in a way. Some develop a way of seeing the weaves even, without actually channeling anything at all. point being, they're proof that handling power or objects of loads of Power does not Slow people.
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it's a possibility. Good Life (=staying out of the Sun) + Slowing might have a better effect than just slowing. I seem to remember somewhere that strength in Power also determines when people start Slowing - hence Nynaeve's contant mumbling about looking in her late teens and nobody taking her seriously while she was actually in her mid-twenties.


Which makes me think of yet ANOTHER frigging timing problem in Avi's trip through the Pillars, she sees her daughter Padra, 17 years after the last battle (she said, last time they fought, I assumed she meant the Last Battle but it may be vague on purpose) this, considering that she's been channeling since birth should make her look about 5 years old but she's not.
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Which makes me think of yet ANOTHER frigging timing problem in Avi's trip through the Pillars, she sees her daughter Padra, 17 years after the last battle (she said, last time they fought, I assumed she meant the Last Battle but it may be vague on purpose) this, considering that she's been channeling since birth should make her look about 5 years old but she's not.
There's so much that's odd about Padra and the rest that their non-slowing isn't really a problem. Being permanently connected to the OP and channelling since childhood are so different from the usual run of things that they can explain away the lack of slowing. Maybe they'll not slow, but stop completely when they reach full adulthood, for example.
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There's so much that's odd about Padra and the rest that their non-slowing isn't really a problem. Being permanently connected to the OP and channelling since childhood are so different from the usual run of things that they can explain away the lack of slowing. Maybe they'll not slow, but stop completely when they reach full adulthood, for example.
then how do you explain them being dead later on and I'm assuming from fairly natural causes as the next person doesn't comment on it at all?

that part of the book was just... not thought out with Jordan's usual meticulous way. the main point is fine, it's just the details that screw eveything up it's like the corners don't really meet at proper angles and your eye can't follow the lines if you take my meaning

anyways, back to Slowing and usage of OP. My personal opinion is that actually using the Power won't matter. Take Moiraine: her ability is now much less but she has that sa'angreal that makes her even stronger than she was before. What'll happen to her? I'd hazard a guess that because her ability is less, she'll die younger than she would have otherwise (that is, if she lives though the LB); her using an aid for channeling will not lengthen her lifespan. But, it's all air I'm spinning, could be that I'm totally wrong.

At least Siuan and Leaine are simple: they stopped Slowing altogether when they were Stilled and then started again sort of from a blank page just at a slower pace.
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At least Siuan and Leaine are simple: they stopped Slowing altogether when they were Stilled and then started again sort of from a blank page just at a slower pace.
Did you mean that they age more slowly than normal people, after being healed and retaken the oaths, but not as slowly as they originally did.
Then I agree with you.

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than original strength with oaths.
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Did Jordan ever mention why he doesn't name characters the same? There's a thing called family name and place of birth.

There isn't a Mat of Arad Doman or something. Hell I find it hard to believe that there is no parent who named their kid Jain or Arthur.
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It happens more among the minor characters. And just because we haven't met any Mats doesn't mean there aren't any. From a storytelling perspective, it makes it easier for the reader to keep characters straight if they don't have the same name. Also, just because we have a convention of naming children after famous people doesn't mean that Randlanders necessarily should. The Aiel do it, though; Melaine says she plans to name her girls Min and Egwene, IIRC.
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There isn't a Mat of Arad Doman or something. Hell I find it hard to believe that there is no parent who named their kid Jain or Arthur.
Lol, I think that's a common feature in most Fantasy. Tolkien doesn't have any recurring names either. A bit weird but there you are.
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Lol, I think that's a common feature in most Fantasy. Tolkien doesn't have any recurring names either. A bit weird but there you are.
Actually, he does. Check the genealogies; there's at least one dwarf name that's shared, and at least one elf, though I can't bring either name to mind at the moment. I know they're there, though.
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There actually are a whole bunch of characters with the same names, but, like Terez said, they're all minor. There's lots of Hads, I think three Huans, and (according to eWoT) no less than six Jaims. There's probably a bunch more I'm missing too.

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And of course both Lan's horse and Perrin's wife are called Mandarb.
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And of course both Lan's horse and Perrin's wife are called Mandarb.
Yes but one of those two is an ass, not a horse.
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