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Amathera is in Tar Valon, so it seems she'll be in FoM, I'm guessing Beslan would be coming with Mat, that leaves Amadicia. Im kinda guessing Egwene will be left with no support after thinking everyone will follow her. Or did I forget some things?
Tarabon has a new panarch, obviously. And Ailron is dead; he was killed at Jeramel.
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Tarabon has a new panarch, obviously. And Ailron is dead; he was killed at Jeramel.
Made this a while ago for another thread that didn't pan out...

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I'm not even arguing with you.
that utinbaho is wrong?

In any case, probably as close to it as we're going to get (though I do wonder what the hell you thought I meant by Amathera not having the right).

And (s)he didn't seem to ever suspect Ailron. We don't need to assume everyone is an idiot.
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Trolling again already?
I think he was agreeing with you. Which, as he says, is one of the last great signs before Tarmon Gai'don begins.
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I think he was agreeing with you.
He has a strange way of going about it, though, doesn't he?

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I think he was agreeing with you. Which, as he says, is one of the last great signs before Tarmon Gai'don begins.
lol...
I think a small part of the post-apocalyptic confusion may come from me reading 'arguing' as 'agreeing'. My bad.

Not sure what the tone was though. It could be read as dismissive or conciliatory.
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I think a small part of the post-apocalyptic confusion may come from me reading 'arguing' as 'agreeing'. My bad.
Probably because I read 'agreeing' as 'arguing'. A morning moment.
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...she's already lost a handful of years, and is starting out more or less a third of a lifetime ahead. My guess is she'll live 67-75% of Nynaeve's lifetime.
Sharina may have started out older, but Slowing Rate is determined solely by Potential Strength, and Sharina has a tremendous advantage in strength over almost every Aes Sedai -- She is "possibly as strong as a woman can be." Nyneave's 30% advantage in starting slowing is going to be offset by Sharina's 25-35% advantage in slowing rate.

If Sharina takes the Three Oaths, she'll easily hit the 300 year cap on lifespan the Oaths impose. If she doesn't, then she'll have a life expectancy of around 700 years. She might not be a spry and vivacious as someone who started slowing at sixteen to twenty, but they're all going to look fifty to seventy at the end of their lives.
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Just had a realisation that you might have had a while ago.

This is not a question really, just not own thread worthy.

Demandred and Logain are very similar. The difference is that Logain accepted his place as second after the dragon.
Demandred never could settle for less than being the best and finishing first.
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Just had a realisation that you might have had a while ago.

This is not a question really, just not own thread worthy.

Demandred and Logain are very similar. The difference is that Logain accepted his place as second after the dragon.
Demandred never could settle for less than being the best and finishing first.
And that is the difference between Logain and Taim. And the glory above all men goes to the man who accepted his place as second to the Dragon. How fitting!
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If Sharina takes the Three Oaths, she'll easily hit the 300 year cap on lifespan the Oaths impose. If she doesn't, then she'll have a life expectancy of around 700 years. She might not be a spry and vivacious as someone who started slowing at sixteen to twenty, but they're all going to look fifty to seventy at the end of their lives.
The "cap" may be due to other (environmental) factors rather than just the oaths. The aol is a very different age from the current medically. Plus, would the strongest woman have an equal life expectancy to the strongest man given what RJ said about effectiveness in women balancing male strengths? It shouldn't matter, but...
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Sharina may have started out older, but Slowing Rate is determined solely by Potential Strength, and Sharina has a tremendous advantage in strength over almost every Aes Sedai -- She is "possibly as strong as a woman can be." Nyneave's 30% advantage in starting slowing is going to be offset by Sharina's 25-35% advantage in slowing rate.

If Sharina takes the Three Oaths, she'll easily hit the 300 year cap on lifespan the Oaths impose. If she doesn't, then she'll have a life expectancy of around 700 years. She might not be a spry and vivacious as someone who started slowing at sixteen to twenty, but they're all going to look fifty to seventy at the end of their lives.
The slowing rate is discussed by Jordan:
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If Sharina is as strong as a woman can be, she is probably well past the threshold necessary to hit the slowing limit. But Nynaeve may be just barely past the threshold, so she and Sharina could plausibly slow at the same rate (if they weren't bound).
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If an Aes Sedai is released from the Oath Rod, will they live as long as if they had never been bound?
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Not according to RJ; he said "the three oaths put a cap on lifespan."

Other factors -- environment, genetics, OP strength, etc -- may influnce or limit lifespan, but the Oaths put a cap of three-hundred years or so that overrides any other factors which might allow a longer lifespan.

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Given the historical tendency for women to outlive men I'd guess that a channeler like Lanfear or Sharina would outlive Moridin, Rand, Demandred, et al -- barring any unnatural causes of death, like crossing the Dragon Reborn or overdosing on the True Power.
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But Nynaeve may be just barely past the threshold, so she and Sharina could plausibly slow at the same rate (if they weren't bound).
Nyneave isn't as strong as you seem to think she is -- especially in relation to Sharina's potential. See any of the past discussions on relative strength/ strength ranking.

Being "the strongest novice in 300 years" isn't really that much of an accomplishment, given the generally low strength level of established AS. As the series progressed, several channelers stronger than Nyneave are identified.
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Nyneave isn't as strong as you seem to think she is -- especially in relation to Sharina's potential. See any of the past discussions on relative strength/ strength ranking.
She is. She's exactly as strong as most people think she is, which is extremely strong, but not the strongest.
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Its 3000, not 300. And remember that we're only told that Sharina has a potential even greater than Nynaeve's, but get no statements about her potential being much greater, or anything like that.

Also, its worth noting that only six women are stronger than Nynaeve. Making it very likely that she's in the second or third tier of channelers, and no lower.
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