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Still don't understand how I missed Asmodean/Jasin Natael in TSR.
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Possibly in the same way that you missed Taimandred: you thought it was a red herring.

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Also, the BWB came out after TSR did, so it may be that you didn't have the information about Asmodean needed to make the link as obvious to you as it is now.
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Next you will suggest some peddler was a Cho . . . Forsaken in disguise, misleading that Andoran prince-of-the-sword-in-waiting that his Queen was dead at the hands of the Lord Dragon.
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Next you will suggest some peddler was a Cho . . . Forsaken in disguise, misleading that Andoran prince-of-the-sword-in-waiting that his Queen was dead at the hands of the Lord Dragon.
Wait, is this something from the encyclopedia? RJ said that guy was just a peddler...but since you have that as your sig, I'm assuming you know that lol.
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Yeah, TSR when things are really beginning to get going.
Just finished it. It's definitely my new current favourite.
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I'm re-reading the series backwards right now (last book to first) and I'm on aCOS. One thing I didn't pick up before was that Mat actually met Noal/Jain for the first time in front of the palace where Jaichim Carridin was staying in Ebou Dar, where Mat follows Lady Shiaine. I never made the connection before, but the description of the 'old man' is quite unmistakable now that I read it again.
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I'm re-reading the series backwards right now (last book to first) and I'm on aCOS. One thing I didn't pick up before was that Mat actually met Noal/Jain for the first time in front of the palace where Jaichim Carridin was staying in Ebou Dar, where Mat follows Lady Shiaine. I never made the connection before, but the description of the 'old man' is quite unmistakable now that I read it again.
That's definitely a different way of doing it. What are you getting from it?

Nynaeve and Elayne definitely don't seem to be achieving much, as is. There was a lot of back story accomplished, we learned about Moghedien and the sad rings, Birgitte was ripped out of TAR, Liandrin was dealt with finally, other than that there just seems to have been a fair bit of wandering around the world, I'm finding the whole menagerie thing a little tedious now (and I'm quite distracted by trying to see if Valan Luca really IS the dragon reborn after all).

Just arrived in Ghealdan now, so about to start catching up with the lovely Masema.

I stick by my original observation that this whole plot line was merely to fill in an awful lot of back story using N&E to carry it along.
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I suspect that in one of the other scenes we didn't see (because RJ did not get around to writing it) Valan Luca was killed by Demandred, who had mistakenly thought he was the DR. A reversal of the "Roedran is Demandred" thing which had Rand a bit paranoid.
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Just finished it. It's definitely my new current favourite.
And the best book to come too. Dammit the first 6 books in this series are just sooooo good.
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Just finished it. It's definitely my new current favourite.
It has been my favorite for a long time, and that has stood the test of time and several rereads. It's the book where all of the main characters really begin to come into their own, and they do it through some of the most interesting and creative trials. The columns in Rhuidean for Rand, the doorways in Tear and Rhuidean for Mat, the Two Rivers for Perrin, Tel'aran'rhiod for Egwene, Moghedien for Nynaeve, veils for Elayne, romance and character history for Moiraine and Thom, chaos in the Tower for Min, Galad and Gawyn, a complex destiny for Aviendha, and the book has 3 distinct climaxes, all of them pretty epic.

Someone did a game on the MySpace WoT group about 8-9 years ago where everyone votes on their favorite book and books are eliminated one at a time. It was probably the most involved contest I've ever seen on that particular topic. I seem to remember recruiting Theorylanders to vote, including Sarevok. Anyway, it came down to LOC and TSR. LOC tends to be popular among males in particular because of the savagery and the comeuppance for the Aes Sedai at Dumai's Wells. And it was overall a good book. I just think TSR is really hard to beat.
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/pokes head in

TSR has always been my favorite. Also starting a very slow re-read now that I have the e-book.

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Just finished Lord of Chaos. All Dumai's Wells'd up at the moment.

I'd forgotten how much I enjoyed the second three books, the action and the pace, Rand's degeneration into madness, Egwene's time with the Aiel and then becoming Amyrlin, so much happens! Slightly apprehensive of the wandering around in the snow which is looming for Perrin and the general slow down in pace overall but I'm approaching it with an open mind.

Stupid question of the day - Mazrim Taim was turned wasn't he?

Also, I noticed Graendal said outright that Asmodean was dead, I guess that's the proof that it was her as she has no reason to know definitively? Demandred knows as the GL told him but he hasn't passed that along as far as I know?
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Stupid question of the day - Mazrim Taim was turned wasn't he?
That seems to qualify.
No, he wasn't turned. All it took was saving him from the AS, and then making him an offer he couldn't refuse. Based on what we know, he likely was not have too inclined to refuse anyway.

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We do not really know how much he had passed on and how much Graendal had found out through spying, of course. But it is at least a good red herring, and quite probably an actual clue.
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Seeing as how she actually did it, the "clue" option seems more probably.
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Also, I noticed Graendal said outright that Asmodean was dead, I guess that's the proof that it was her as she has no reason to know definitively? Demandred knows as the GL told him but he hasn't passed that along as far as I know?
But Graendal also says she made a trip to Shayol Ghul. So at that stage we could also have concluded the Dark One told her as he told Demandred.
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Someone did a game on the MySpace WoT group about 8-9 years ago where everyone votes on their favorite book and books are eliminated one at a time. It was probably the most involved contest I've ever seen on that particular topic. I seem to remember recruiting Theorylanders to vote, including Sarevok. Anyway, it came down to LOC and TSR. LOC tends to be popular among males in particular because of the savagery and the comeuppance for the Aes Sedai at Dumai's Wells. And it was overall a good book. I just think TSR is really hard to beat.
The columns in Rhuidean are probably the best overall scene in all the books to me. Just so well done.

And yeah, TSR is pretty much the best book IMHO too. The 4-5-6 trilogy is where the entire series peaks and its a slow decline through 7 & 8 to the nadir that is 9-10-11 and the slight rebound under Brandon to finish it off.

I'm rereading aMoL for the first time since my initial read and its actually better than I remember...other than the at times very jarring voices for certain characters (Egwene and Mat in particular and Jesus Rand to a lesser extent) the action scenes really play to Brandon's strengths. Though he does go a bit too far into his Mighty Morphin Power Rangers routine at times (lava gateway, a tempest of this and a tempest of that, etc).

But still its decent at least.
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I dunno if I would group 11 with 9-10. While not as good as 4-5-6, it is way better than 8-9-10, IMO.

As for aMoL... with respect to the fight scenes, I actually don't think he did enough with the Power. The OP is a broad set of abilities, and there should have been innovation all over due to the pressures of war. Instead, he picked one thing, Gateways, and then over-innovated with it. That's more like what he does with his own books, but not very WoT.
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That doesn't extend to any discussion on the Brandon books does it?

I thought it was only for the blind hate/support type stuff and Egwene bashing?

But not gawyn bashing. We can all indulge in that

And dav, the nadir of the series is in book 12. "Elaborate aliases and back stories". Urgh!
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I thought it was only for the blind hate/support type stuff and Egwene bashing?
The 'ware is for prolonged discussions. The point of the quarantine is to make sure that the discussion doesn't overtake every thread on the forum. It's amazing how quickly that can happen; Brandon and Egwene are just the main two topics that tend to spill over into everything.
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Kinda makes it hard to discuss anything in the later books you know...and getting talked down to about it gets old too.


Edit: FWIW, my comment wasn't bashing Egwene, it was just noting that Brandon seemed to have trouble writing her is all. Same with Mat.
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