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Edit: FWIW, my comment wasn't bashing Egwene, it was just noting that Brandon seemed to have trouble writing her is all. Same with Mat.
I don't mind his Egwene. She became a little Mary sue in tGS and ToM but was not the worst. Mat on the other hand was very off IMHO.

Still, I've said this before, Sanderson did a good job in difficult circumstances.

Now, a random thought just came to me- what are the chance of us getting some more WoT in the future?
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Kinda makes it hard to discuss anything in the later books you know...and getting talked down to about it gets old too.
No one is talking down to you Dav. Though you do seem more inclined that most posters to rant extensively on either of those topics. I only chimed in because Fionwe responded, and that's usually a precursor to back-and-forth.
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Now, a random thought just came to me- what are the chance of us getting some more WoT in the future?
Zero. They've made that pretty clear. Maybe try fanfic?
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Zero. They've made that pretty clear. Maybe try fanfic?
Never!!! Especially after you guys taught me about slash fiction. Argh.

I'll tell you where I'm coming from- I know that bandersnatch(the jordan estate guys) have said there will be none. I was re - organising bookshelves and came across the extended Tolkien verse. I was wondering if something like that could happen after some time?

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Never!!! Especially after you guys taught me about slash fiction. Argh.
Fanfic has well-established rules of organization. You can usually sort search results to make sure you don't get anything like that, and then there are the ratings, warnings and relationship labels.
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No one is talking down to you Dav. Though you do seem more inclined that most posters to rant extensively on either of those topics. I only chimed in because Fionwe responded, and that's usually a precursor to back-and-forth.
I'm probably more inclined to rant on ANYTHING than most here...or post in general (as indicated by my ridiculously high post count that only you surpass).

I wasn't ranting in this case, just pointing out something I noticed on my reread of aMoL.

One thought/conclusion I did have on this reread was that Nakomi almost has to be the Creator's avatar. The "old Aiel woman" Rand sees/hears at Shayol Ghul towards the end cliches it for me. I think someone else already posited that theory IIRC. Seems to make sense.
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Never!!! Especially after you guys taught me about slash fiction. Argh.

I'll tell you where I'm coming from- I know that bandersnatch(the jordan estate guys) have said there will be none. I was re - organising bookshelves and came across the extended Tolkien verse. I was wondering if something like that could happen after some time?

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I'd love it if some more of the notes were published...in a better format than the Companion (which was disappointing to say the least).
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And the best book to come too. Dammit the first 6 books in this series are just sooooo good.
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That seems to qualify.
No, he wasn't turned. All it took was saving him from the AS, and then making him an offer he couldn't refuse. Based on what we know, he likely was not have too inclined to refuse anyway.
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The columns in Rhuidean are probably the best overall scene in all the books to me. Just so well done.

And yeah, TSR is pretty much the best book IMHO too. The 4-5-6 trilogy is where the entire series peaks and its a slow decline through 7 & 8 to the nadir that is 9-10-11 and the slight rebound under Brandon to finish it off.

I'm rereading aMoL for the first time since my initial read and its actually better than I remember...other than the at times very jarring voices for certain characters (Egwene and Mat in particular and Jesus Rand to a lesser extent) the action scenes really play to Brandon's strengths. Though he does go a bit too far into his Mighty Morphin Power Rangers routine at times (lava gateway, a tempest of this and a tempest of that, etc).

But still its decent at least.
I'm quite looking forward to reading Brandon's three again from the perspective of having just read the entire back series. I remember Mat's voice jarring me a lot first time around, the rest of what you say I hadn't noticed so much. But, open mind and all that...

Just got to the bit in CoS where Nynaeve and Elayne are on the Sea Folk ship negotiating the deal for help with the Bowl of Winds.

What was the deal between Sulin and Nandera fighting it out after Sulin puts off the servant garb, and the same with Sorelia and Amys with water...I get that it was a leadership struggle but I didn't really get the nuances of how it all ended. Like, Sulin beat Nandera but Nandera retained leadership of the Maidens...

Also, is Wise Ones hierarchy ruled by age? Does anyone know how old Sorelia actually is??
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What was the deal between Sulin and Nandera fighting it out after Sulin puts off the servant garb, and the same with Sorelia and Amys with water...I get that it was a leadership struggle but I didn't really get the nuances of how it all ended. Like, Sulin beat Nandera but Nandera retained leadership of the Maidens...

Also, is Wise Ones hierarchy ruled by age? Does anyone know how old Sorelia actually is??
I always thought of the Aiel society as being ruled by strength of character. I think it's one of RJ's points that when the organization tells who the superior is by some sort of simple default (i.e. by age or OP strength) you'll end up with people in charge who don't have all the necessary qualifications. Sorilea has a very forcefull personality, but the other Wise Ones also recognise her as a truly wise person and so they often don't have an argument with which to oppose her.

The Sulin vs. Nandera thing is a matter of ji'e'toh. According to ji'e'toh the greatest shame in combat is to be touched without being harmed in any way. I'd imagine that there are degrees to this with something like a light tap on the back of the neck being at the top of the list. In their fight Nandera won Sulin's respect by forcing her to win by knock out. She couldn't humiliate Nandera or make her admit defeat. Knocking her out was the same as admitting this and so Sulin stepped down.
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Well, you are past it now- The best book in the series, imo, is tFoH. I think it is perfect. I might even call it my favourite book of any genre.
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Its a really good book. The only parts that drag a little bit for me is the endless wagon trip across Amadicia. Even that isn't bad as I really like Nynaeve overall so her scenes are always interesting to me. I even like Elayne at that point in the story as she hadn't yet become ulter annoying. Besides, who doesn't like hot blondes...
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Hmmmm, OK. Who rescued him? I thought the BA were supposed to be breaking him free...
Oh yes, the BA brought him to Demandred. But Taim then wasn't Turned using the 13 Myrddraal trick; instead he was recruited with promises of eternal life, lordship over his "inferiors" and the services of the same design bureau that also worked for Ishamael (hence the suspicious colour scheme he adopted later in the series).
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I always found people linking moridin and taim via colour hilarious.

maybe he used Red and black as thats an awesome combination.
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I always found people linking moridin and taim via colour hilarious.

maybe he used Red and black as thats an awesome combination.
Ironically though, it apparently was a sort of livery for Moridin...I believe Graendal or Lanfear muses about it to themself during aMoL. Can't recall which actually...probably Graendal as I dont recall Lanfear/Cyndane getting a POV. Maybe Moggy too. I dont know, I'm tired but it was mentioned.
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Ironically though, it apparently was a sort of livery for Moridin...I believe Graendal or Lanfear muses about it to themself during aMoL. Can't recall which actually...probably Graendal as I dont recall Lanfear/Cyndane getting a POV. Maybe Moggy too. I dont know, I'm tired but it was mentioned.
Graendal mentions it with respect to Cyndane, saying how the color doesn't really suit her.
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Did Cadsuane use compulsion on her?

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Cadsuane touches her and tells her to stop crying and Min is surprised to realise that she did.

Did Cadsuane use compulsion on her?

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I definitely would say, no. It is way out of Cadsuane's character to use Compulsion at all. And for something so small? Definitely not.

Min is just surprised at how easily she responds to Cadsuane's commands. Everyone is, their first time, usually.
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I definitely would say, no. It is way out of Cadsuane's character to use Compulsion at all. And for something so small? Definitely not.

Min is just surprised at how easily she responds to Cadsuane's commands. Everyone is, their first time, usually.
Yeah, I'd agree that compulsion is very unlikely, but this does raise another, admittedly outlandish, possibility. We know that the Blues have a secret fear weave. Does make one wonder, might there be other emotion enhancing or suppressing weaves? Not that I'm suggesting that Cadsuane has a secret calming weave, but such a weave might be useful...
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Yeah, I'd agree that compulsion is very unlikely, but this does raise another, admittedly outlandish, possibility. We know that the Blues have a secret fear weave. Does make one wonder, might there be other emotion enhancing or suppressing weaves? Not that I'm suggesting that Cadsuane has a secret calming weave, but such a weave might be useful...
Such a weave is certainly possible, even likely. But I don't see Cadsuane wanting to resort to it, frankly. She is someone who clearly takes pride in her presence and how people react to just her. Using the Power to sneakily make people behave as she wants seems to be something she would disparage. Heck, I found her using the OP on Tam to be out of character.
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