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If you wanted to be really picky, you'd have to expand that into a couple of words: not blind human. I don't think there's one single word in English for that specific class of person, but perhaps Naz knows such a word.
Interesting choice. The word I was looking for is "shallow". Perhaps I should have said "by appearance alone".
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Trump's ambassador to Israel is not a huge fan of the two state solution.

Which is a novel approach, because I'm not familiar with other options that don't involve war and/or genocide.
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Indeed. That's why it is important to learn about individual people. Then you can learn to communicate in a way that both sides understand what was meant not simply what was said.
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You missed that "usually fails" part as is evidenced by a bunch of posts in this thread.
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You missed that "usually fails" part as is evidenced by a bunch of posts in this thread.
But not always which is why I try. Or did you mean something else by that?
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Trump's ambassador to Israel is not a huge fan of the two state solution.

Which is a novel approach, because I'm not familiar with other options that don't involve war and/or genocide.
Is any of Trumps uh "party" in favor of anything that won't lead to War/Genocide?
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But not always which is why I try. Or did you mean something else by that?
I meant that if it worked half of this thread wouldn't exist.
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Trump's ambassador to Israel is not a huge fan of the two state solution.

Which is a novel approach, because I'm not familiar with other options that don't involve war and/or genocide.
He's an ardent supporter of moving our Embassy to Jerusalem too...which would likely touch off something akin to the 73 Embargo and help drive us into recession...assuming it doesn't lead to a massive spike in terrorist attacks and/or a war.

The Two State solution was and is the only one that really would ever work long-term but I fear that well has long been poisoned by Arafat and then the Israeli Far Right (Likud, etc)
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Is any of Trumps uh "party" in favor of anything that won't lead to War/Genocide?
Well, they all want to make a shitload more money and destroy the environment in the process too...though accelerating climate change would also likely lead to more wars...so, um, no. There isn't anything they want to do that doesn't destabilize our country long-term or even short-term.
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Well, they all want to make a shitload more money and destroy the environment in the process too...though accelerating climate change would also likely lead to more wars...so, um, no. There isn't anything they want to do that doesn't destabilize the planet long-term or even short-term.
Fixed that for you.
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Fixed that for you.
My Americanism showed through there I suppose...good edit.
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So what does everyone think of the Russia hack story?

Obviously, there will be no way to prove how much it tipped the scale, which means you cannot use this to invalidate the election. The hack "hacked" into the concepts of free press and 24/7 news, and the US media's desire to present itself as balanced and equal. None of those, in and of themselves, invalidate the election.

But on the flip side, while a small part of me cannot help but relish that the US has been served a taste of its own medicine, I'm also aware that if Putin feels comfortable doing this to the US, he will feel much more comfortable doing it elsewhere. Indeed, the word is that Germany is his next target.

Moving forward, the United States remains uniquely susceptible to these kinds of campaigns. So while they will retaliate (per Obama last night), they're going to have to be prepared for future attacks as well.

It seems to me that along with fake news crisis, this is yet another new chapter that changes my view of what a functional needs in the digital age. A lot of this, I think, can be traced back to the atrocious digital privacy laws in the US and elsewhere.

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I think Putin did it and did it deliberately to help get a result he wanted. I don't know if or what Trump or any of his people had to do with it but they definitely benefited from it. I would hope Trump and his inner circle merely benefited from it rather than being involved as any involvement would be high treason and represent essentially a foreign-backed coup d'etat and overturning of our democratic process. (or basically what we do to some 3rd world country every couple years for shits and giggles as a superpower).

I also think it constitutes casus belli and we should respond in kind and with a proportional response.

Up till now, the major powers have always respected the fine line between espionage and active attacks on internal institutions. For the same reason we didn't go around assassinating members of the Politburo during the Cold War, you don't do things like this...it just isn't polite behavior when both countries have massive nuclear arsenals.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...&ICID=ref_fark

Apparently China seized one of our underwater surveying drones in international waters in the South China Sea.

Some saber rattling by them right after Trumperdick's idiotic saber rattling over Taiwan.

No way this goes bad.
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I think Putin did it and did it deliberately to help get a result he wanted. I don't know if or what Trump or any of his people had to do with it but they definitely benefited from it. I would hope Trump and his inner circle merely benefited from it rather than being involved as any involvement would be high treason and represent essentially a foreign-backed coup d'etat and overturning of our democratic process. (or basically what we do to some 3rd world country every couple years for shits and giggles as a superpower).

I also think it constitutes casus belli and we should respond in kind and with a proportional response.
Casus belli seems a bit much. This seems like it was meant more as a tit-for-tat, i.e. a response merely to our sanctions, that they merely hoped would help weaken Hillary as president. I doubt they, or Wikileaks (which even if an independent operator rather than an actual Russian operative), who obviously had similarly motives (albeit here for, justifiably, blockading him in the embassy of a shady nation), really believed that they would actually manage to get Trump elected.

It isn't mentioned as much, but they (both the Russians and Wikileaks) also helped sabotage a number of key congressional races. Doing this obviously helped ensure that the Republicans would keep control of the House, which probably makes more sense as a goal if they assumed that even with all their actions that Hillary would still be president, but so as to ensure that she was hamstrung by a divided govt.

It doesn't seem like there is much public outcry on the right though about Russian involvement, but at least the left is finally seemingly seeing Wikileaks for the criminal organization that it is rather than holding to some delusion of it being an honorable endeavor.
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Casus belli seems a bit much. This seems like it was meant more as a tit-for-tat, i.e. a response merely to our sanctions, that they merely hoped would help weaken Hillary as president. I doubt they, or Wikileaks (which even if an independent operator rather than an actual Russian operative), who obviously had similarly motives (albeit here for, justifiably, blockading him in the embassy of a shady nation), really believed that they would actually manage to get Trump elected.

It isn't mentioned as much, but they (both the Russians and Wikileaks) also helped sabotage a number of key congressional races. Doing this obviously helped ensure that the Republicans would keep control of the House, which probably makes more sense as a goal if they assumed that even with all their actions that Hillary would still be president, but so as to ensure that she was hamstrung by a divided govt.

It doesn't seem like there is much public outcry on the right though about Russian involvement, but at least the left is finally seemingly seeing Wikileaks for the criminal organization that it is rather than holding to some delusion of it being an honorable endeavor.
They directly interfered with our electoral process. That's far beyond sanctions.

Oh and the FBI has come out today agreeing with the CIA's conclusions.

The Right is okay with it because they won and they dont give a damn how they won...party before country every single time.
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They directly interfered with our electoral process. That's far beyond sanctions.

Oh and the FBI has come out today agreeing with the CIA's conclusions.

The Right is okay with it because they won and they dont give a damn how they won...party before country every single time.
If this was a dem administration coming in then I'd imagine this would mean another round of sanctions, arms deals with Ukraine, and maybe even letting Ukraine into NATO - i.e. everything short of bellum. But with Trump? New sanctions definitely seem off the table, and support for Ukraine, and perhaps even the Baltic states, regardless of the fact that those countries, unlike Ukraine, are in NATO, seem very much in doubt.

Hopefully this shames enough Republican senators (I have far less confidence in the prudence of republican reps) to push back against some of Trump's Russophilia, perhaps enough to ensure that in four years that at least Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia, and hopefully even Ukraine, are all still indepedent nations, rather than re-annexed by the Russians.
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