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Really doesn't bother us at all. We always refer to US citizens as American and are completely unconcerned with the infringement on the North America trio.

I wonder why Mexico cares more than we do? Maybe because they feel maligned in general, and this is like the third-wheel friend that wants to make sure we remember they are part of the group.
Might have something to do with the fact that we conquered their whole country after they refused to sell us California. We did give them back most of it, but...
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I'm thinking some of his campaign staff were finally able to convince him to backpedal on some stuff. All things considered, ever since Trump chose Pence, Pence has had to backpedal and clean up after Trump since day 1. That might have been their last goal.

And that is gonna piss off a number of people that were all gun-ho about it.
Or more likely, the answer is that no one knows Donald Trump's politics.

We have the remember that the only two things Trump has EVER been successful at are marketing himself, and reality television. When viewed in that light, his campaign makes perfect sense. He knows just how low brow Americans want their entertainment (not to mention that politics is now consumed as entertainment), and just how to play that role, and he knows how to market that role and himself as effectively as anyone before or since (barring perhaps the Kardashians).

He isn't a Democrat in disguise, but I think there is a real possibility that he both loses interest in the minutiae of governing and also clashes, intensely, with GOP leadership.
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This tends to be something about us that irritates our neighbors, that we refer to the US as America, and to ourselves as Americans. In our defense, it is the only phonetically pleasing ethnic deisgnator, as calling ourselves United Staters would be really clumsy, though that is how Mexico seems to prefer to refer to us (Estados Unidos). I don't get the impression that this idiosyncracy annoys the Canadians anywhere near as much as our neighbors to the south.

I suppose he could rename the US as Trumpistan and the continents as either North and South Trumpland, or as North and South Trumpia. Trumpistan also just makes more sense since he is so openly servile towards the Russians.
I thought the -istan part was an Arabic thing. Could be wrong of course but a lot of people associate it with Middle-East and thus Muslims. But then Trump pissing off everyone he hasn't yet pissed off would just make him Trump.
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Well, the Muslim ban is back on.
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I thought the -istan part was an Arabic thing. Could be wrong of course but a lot of people associate it with Middle-East and thus Muslims. But then Trump pissing off everyone he hasn't yet pissed off would just make him Trump.
Are you thinking Persian? It's an old link word in Indo-European, going back to Sanskrit, but like ἵσταμαι (to stand) in Greek, and stare (to stand) in Latin.

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The suffix, originally an independent noun, but evolving into a suffix by virtue of appearing frequently as the last part in nominal compounds, is of Indo-Iranian and ultimately Indo-European origin: It is cognate with Sanskrit sthā́na (Devanagari: स्थान [st̪ʰaːna]), meaning "the act of standing", from which many further meanings derive, including "place, location", and ultimately descends from Proto-Indo-Iranian *sthāna-.

The Proto-Indo-European root from which this noun is derived is *steh₂- (older reconstruction *stā-) "to stand" (or "to stand up, to step (somewhere), to position (oneself)"), which is also the source of English to stand, Latin stāre, and Ancient Greek histamai (ἵσταμαι), all meaning "to stand" and Russian стан (stan, meaning "settlement" or "semi-permanent camp"). In Polish and Ukrainian, stan means "state" or "condition", while in Serbo-Croatian it translates as "apartment" (a Slovenian word "stanovanje" means apartment or other closed space of living is an obvious derivative of stan) in its modern usage, while its original meaning was "habitat". In Czech and Slovak, it means "tent" or, in military terms, "headquarters". Also in Germanic languages, the root can be found in Stand ("place, location"), and in Stadt (German), stad/sted (Dutch/Scandinavian), stęd (West Frisian) and stead (English), all meaning either "place" or "city". The suffix -stan is analogous to the suffix -land, present in many country and location names.
I was thinking in reference to the fact that most of the countries that use it were Soviet Republics - Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan (there are only two others that use it, Afghanistan and Pakistan). So while coincidentally associated with Islam, not really related to linguistically to Islam, nor at all to Arabic (which isn't in the Indo-European family linguistically).
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Are you thinking Persian? It's an old link word in Indo-European, going back to Sanskrit, but like ἵσταμαι (to stand) in Greek, and stare (to stand) in Latin.

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I was thinking in reference to the fact that most of the countries that use it were Soviet Republics - Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan (there are only two others that use it, Afghanistan and Pakistan). So while coincidentally associated with Islam, not really related to linguistically to Islam, nor at all to Arabic (which isn't in the Indo-European family linguistically).
What about Istanbul? Or is that a coincidence?
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What about Istanbul? Or is that a coincidence?
Coincidence. It's actually not even Turkish, but still derived from Greek.

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As an aside, unless Medieval Greek has an eccentricity to its pronunciation rules to which I'm not aware (it's possible though, modern Greek isn't pronounced the same as ancient in many instances), the pronunciation guide they provide above seems weird. Using normal ancient pronunciation that should be rendered like "ice tain pole-in", which is completely different from the above. I can't recall if pi starts sounding like a beta sound, but modern Greek started doing some odd things with beta, developing a "v" sound as it modernized. Things like the ancient name for the isle of Euboea becoming in modern Greek Evia. That would however help explain the presence of that "b" in place of the "p" in Istanbul, though not really sure if that might not be a Turkish pronunciation more than a Greek development. Either way, it isn't from ἵσταμαι, it's just a prepositional phrase - "to the city". The Greek πόλις is where we get words like politics and police.

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Man this etymology stuff would be simpler if languages could copyright syllables.
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Man this etymology stuff would be simpler if languages could copyright syllables.
And all of that, isn't even getting into languages like, say, those of the many Native American tribes, many of whom did not even have written languages.
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I find it kinda interesting that the only place I"m running into conversations about the election is on the forums. (And news outlets, but that's a given)

NO ONE at my office has even mentioned it - it's like politics doesn't exist, which is a bit of a change from the day BEFORE the election. Apparently we're all just holding our breath, waiting to see which way to run.

And mostly the news outlets aren't talking about who won, but rather the discrepancy between poll numbers and actual outcome. I'm sure that'll change soon.

As for me, I'm still in neutral, but my gears keep stripping. I can't really believe it, but I'm trying to keep an open mind. Trouble is, my mind isn't really open about Trump. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt until he takes an action, but I don't expect to be pleased.
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For those of you older than I am- What was the general consensus when Ronald Reagan was elected?
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For those of you older than I am- What was the general consensus when Ronald Reagan was elected?
It varied. Which, of course, is also the case now that Trump's been elected.

Out of curiosity (of a rather morbid sort): what kind of candidate are the Republicans going to come up with next?
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It varied. Which, of course, is also the case now that Trump's been elected.

Out of curiosity (of a rather morbid sort): what kind of candidate are the Republicans going to come up with next?
Probably David Duke.
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Found this yesterday. British satirist who plays a news reporter (talking to his producer Tim) that in this video throws a fit after Trump got elected. Blaming liberals and generally the culture of throwing around labels instead of engaging with them on issues. It's very true IMO.

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Voters want change, any change. If the Dems can find one who promises that. Maybe. Clinton surely wasn't the one. That's why she lost to Obama in 2008.
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Sanders promised change, but, as your satirist suggested, that's politically incorrect, so the Democrats opted for Clinton.
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Found this yesterday. British satirist who plays a news reporter (talking to his producer Tim) that in this video throws a fit after Trump got elected. Blaming liberals and generally the culture of throwing around labels instead of engaging with them on issues. It's very true IMO.



Voters want change, any change. If the Dems can find one who promises that. Maybe. Clinton surely wasn't the one. That's why she lost to Obama in 2008.
Well it is true in a way, but some crucial points are missing. The assumption that honest discussion would open people's eyes to what they don't want to see is not based on fact. The label and insult method certainly doesn't work, but it is more a symptom than a cause. The average voter is too mentally lazy to deserve the right to vote. If honest discussion were to work the people engaged in it can't be mentally lazy and on the other hand if they weren't mentally lazy the labels, insults and lack of discussion wouldn't be a problem in the first place. This is like saying that if people were healthy, they wouldn't be sick.
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Sanders promised change, but, as your satirist suggested, that's politically incorrect, so the Democrats opted for Clinton.
Think that the fact that Sanders wasn't in the Cool Dem Club had more to do with it.

Everyone knows it's important to keep the power confined to as few people as possible.

Much easier to keep track of all the bribes and favors too.

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Hell, I see that apparently a lot of Americans want Michelle Obama to run in 2020. Are you trying to become a monarchy? Because putting the same family in power over and over again is how you get a monarchy (or whatever it's called when one family runs a country instead of one specific king/queen).
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Think that the fact that Sanders wasn't in the Cool Dem Club had more to do with it.
Somebody thought that Hillary was cool?

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I think that is more based on name recognition together with lack of imagination. Which then results in a nomocracy, if I remember correctly. Which I don't; that's actually a system based on the rule of law. So my next attempt is onomacracy, which at least has the advantage that no one else ever has thought of it.
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