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There were problems with implementation, but it was constitutionally, statutorily, and historically sound.
Four federal judges (two of them republicans) so far disagree with you.
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Manchin is once again another "Blue Dog Democrat" who never follows the party line because he's a giant pussy afraid of fighting for Dem values over his ignorant red state base.

Biggest issue people have with the Dems is their utter lack of spines when it comes to that sort of thing.
I've seen some comments about Manchin. Namely, if he doesn't play on the Republican side of things hell get replaced by an actual Republican, given the state he's in (West Virgonia). Where he currently is he's able to play to the home crowd, especially in a vote that's already lost, but when it's close and it matters he can vote Democrat.

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I've seen some comments about Manchin. Namely, if he doesn't play on the Republican side of things hell get replaced by an actual Republican, given the state he's in (West Virgonia). Where he currently is he's able to play to the home crowd, especially in a vote that's already lost, but when it's close and it matters he can vote Democrat.

This is a long game and while resist everything seems good, there's a game to play. There's a reason why RJ called it the Great Game.
The two Virginias are indicative of how much things have changed in the last thirty years. West Virginia used to be solidly blue. Byrd was a dem senator from West Virginia from 1959-2010. Jay Rockefeller, also a dem, was their other senator from 1985-2015. But the state has gone red in the last 5 presidential elections, and by a larger margin each time. Trump won it with 68.6% of the vote. Some of that is the death of coal. Some of that is that it is rural. And the other Virginia? It used to be solidly red, yet it has gone blue the last three. Prior to 2008, Virginia hadn't gone blue in the presidential since '64. It would still be solidly red but for the population growth in Northern VA.

Manchin is in a tough position. He may well decide that the only way to maintain his seat is to defect. He's up for re-election in '18.
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This is unbelievably disturbing. The Ninth Circuit proves once again that it doesn't give a damn about the law. This was another pure policy decision, and likely a decision to prevent more businesses from being torched by lawless barbarians, and should not stand. Bad policy does NOT equal bad law, and even though I believe the EO was rushed out, it is legal and the stay should have been issued. This is a good example of why the Ninth Circuit is the most struck down Circuit in America. Here's to hoping Congress decides to finally cut the Ninth Circuit in two, like it's considering.
It must be incredibly disturbing for you as a law student to realize just how ignorant you really are on how the legal system works. Its always difficult to be confronted with one's failings.

Perhaps a job in the fast food industry would be more up your alley?
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There were problems with implementation, but it was constitutionally, statutorily, and historically sound. This isn't the first time that the Ninth Circuit placed policy above law, and it won't be the last. It's time destroy the Ninth Circuit, as it stands, and create a Twelfth Circuit. The decision is absolutely awful in all areas.
No, no it wasn't. You cannot say "I want to ban Muslims" and "I'll give priority to Christian refugees". That's a very basic definition of religious preference and religious discrimination.
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The two Virginias are indicative of how much things have changed in the last thirty years. West Virginia used to be solidly blue. Byrd was a dem senator from West Virginia from 1959-2010. Jay Rockefeller, also a dem, was their other senator from 1985-2015. But the state has gone red in the last 5 presidential elections, and by a larger margin each time. Trump won it with 68.6% of the vote. Some of that is the death of coal. Some of that is that it is rural. And the other Virginia? It used to be solidly red, yet it has gone blue the last three. Prior to 2008, Virginia hadn't gone blue in the presidential since '64. It would still be solidly red but for the population growth in Northern VA.

Manchin is in a tough position. He may well decide that the only way to maintain his seat is to defect. He's up for re-election in '18.
To be fair, there's also been huge shifts in the platforms of both Parties since then too...the Dems aren't really the white working class party anymore so a state like WV is a lost cause going forward...full of poor rural white people with no education.

Also, I'd put money on Manchin getting destroyed in the 2018 election regardless. Being GOP Lite doesn't save a Dem in a red state...they'd much rather have the real thing anyway so they'll pick the reddest of the red Republicans and give that seat to him (it'll be a him) instead of Mr. Lukewarm Democrat.

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To be fair, there's also been huge shifts in the platforms of both Parties since then too...the Dems aren't really the white working class party anymore so a state like WV is a lost cause going forward...full of poor rural white people with no education.

Also, I'd put money on Manchin getting destroyed in the 2018 election regardless. Being GOP Lite doesn't save a Dem in a red state...they'd much rather have the real thing anyway so they'll pick the reddest of the red Republicans and give that seat to him (it'll be a him) instead of Mr. Lukewarm Democrat.

There is no middle ground for moderates anymore.
His name might be enough to save him. he was governor of West Virginia prior to taking over Byrd's seat in the senate. Prior to governor he was their sec of state, and prior to that was in their state senate since the mid-80's.

Always a dem, but look at his positions:

Pro-Life
Pro-Gun
Pro-Coal

Just like with Arlen Specter and Lincoln Chafee, Manchin is in many ways a man in the wrong party. Part of the problem with our current lack of collegiality though in Congress is the dearth of just these sorts of individuals like Specter and Manchin. There used to be far more overlap between the two parties. Far more progressive (northern) republicans, of whom basically just Collins now is left, and far more conservative dems - dems who were pro-union, but also pro-life, pro-gun, and pro-dirty-energy. Those kinds of dems voted for Trump. Of course, on the other hand, most of the pro-choice, pro-gun-control, pro-social-justice crowd from the other side has defected over to us.
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His name might be enough to save him. he was governor of West Virginia prior to taking over Byrd's seat in the senate. Prior to governor he was their sec of state, and prior to that was in their state senate since the mid-80's.

Always a dem, but look at his positions:

Pro-Life
Pro-Gun
Pro-Coal

Just like with Arlen Specter and Lincoln Chafee, Manchin is in many ways a man in the wrong party. Part of the problem with our current lack of collegiality though in Congress is the dearth of just these sorts of individuals like Specter and Manchin. There used to be far more overlap between the two parties. Far more progressive (northern) republicans, of whom basically just Collins now is left, and far more conservative dems - dems who were pro-union, but also pro-life, pro-gun, and pro-dirty-energy. Those kinds of dems voted for Trump. Of course, on the other hand, most of the pro-choice, pro-gun-control, pro-social-justice crowd from the other side has defected over to us.
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That lone red outlier dot in the senate pic has got to be Susan Collins. Who do you think the other two proximate dots are? McCain and Graham? That outlier blue dot in the House pic that is clustered with the republicans is probably Dan Lipinski.
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Murkowski and Kirk actually. Corker, Heller and Graham are the next 3 "most liberal" of the GOP.
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This isn't really worth a new thread, but...

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38926960

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"Man, there's someone in here with a frickin' gun," Mr Beck, 45, recalled thinking after hearing a loud bang.
"When I seen it, it was game-on," said Mr Beck, who raises deer for meat.
When he spotted the doe running into the bakery section on Monday night, he trailed after it, then grabbed it by the neck and began leading it towards the door.
But it was spooked when it saw other customers, the newspaper reports, and kicked Mr Beck in the ribs, knocking him down.
"I think she was scared from all those people," Mr Beck said. "She was like, 'Oh my God, what the heck did I get myself into?'"
Two other shoppers, including another hunter, then came to help escort the deer back out of the front door.
Love how the bbc occasionally just has completely random stories. The "I seen it" also adds a nice, Trumpian, touch to the article.
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http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/10/po...son/index.html

Tillerson and several other long-time professionals basically begged Trump to let Elliott Abrams be the Deputy SecState. Trump said no "after learning Abrams criticized him during the campaign"

What a fucking child. Clearly Abrams nearly 4 decades of experience in foreign policy don't matter when he had the gall to diss a 70 year old man-child.

Granted, I'm not a big fan of Abrams but he'd easily be the most qualified person at State if they picked him and god knows Tillerson (who has literally zero foreign policy experience) really needed and wanted Abrams there.
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Amidst the fallout over Flynn's negotiations with the Russians over ending the sanctions, apparently in addition to the Russians promising financial incentives to everyone in Trump's circle, they also are apparently considering Snowden:

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...ficial-n718921

Snowden was an idiot to commit such a pointless act of espionage, and also stupid to think that the Russians wouldn't potentially just use him as a bargaining chip. That said, I still think he was just a well-intentioned idiot, rather than a traitor, so hopefully this doesn't actually happen. If on the other hand they would convince the Ecuadorians to hand over Assange...


Speaking of Assange:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...otice-eviction

Unfortunately, Trump probably would decide to reward the bastard for helping get him elected, and award him a medal of freedom rather than sending him to rot in Leavenworth.

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On what grounds could Assange be put on trial in (or by) the USA?
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Espionage - Specifically the Espionage Act of 1917.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40653249/n.../#.WJ8-TvkrLIU

The above is a quite detailed discussion of a panel of legal experts debating just this issue. It also should be noted that this panel was from 2013, and considering his activities since then (e.g. the election), the case against him has obviously strengthened.
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This is unbelievably disturbing. The Ninth Circuit proves once again that it doesn't give a damn about the law. This was another pure policy decision, and likely a decision to prevent more businesses from being torched by lawless barbarians, and should not stand. Bad policy does NOT equal bad law, and even though I believe the EO was rushed out, it is legal and the stay should have been issued. This is a good example of why the Ninth Circuit is the most struck down Circuit in America. Here's to hoping Congress decides to finally cut the Ninth Circuit in two, like it's considering.
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The scary thing to me is that he claims to be in Law School...and given how long he's mentioned being there, he must be at least a 3rd year student now so he should have 6-7 years (including Pre-Law) to base these comments on.
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He's probably going to be a prosecutor under Donald Trump. How much legal knowledge would such a one need, really?
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Looks like Pence is trying to force out Flynn.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38954455
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38954455
I'm sure he'll land on his feet with a TV head job with RT...so, he'll be okay.
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