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in and the green man reading the pattern

by rawsilk: 2004-05-05 | Not yet rated

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Well I have been thinking and it has come to me that min and the green man have close abilities.

I think that there are four worlds or dimensions if you prefer it. The first world is where the events that happened reside. The second world takes what happened and spews out choices for us pick. The third world is where we take all the different branches that we chose and put them together. Now the forth world is where it gets complicated. It takes all the choices that didn't happen and does the process of the first, second, third and forth world again for each of them. And when it reaches the forth world again it does the same process for those choices that didn't get chosen, and so on. It makes a big tree where the branches never stop splitting.

Now if you were ta'veren you would take a place in between the second and third world and chose for that piece, depending on how strong ta'veren you were; or the pattern would chose for you.

As for the portal stones, you would be jumping from your world to those in the fourth world. That is why if you tried to travel to a different world from a world in the fourth world you would end up getting lost in the worlds and you would never get back to the real world (I would not advise traveling either since its not tested). Now that would cause the first world to discard a thread in the pattern since you are no longer in this world and that would alter the pattern severely, just like balefire, so I would recommend that you don't stay in those worlds for very long; by the way I think that is where someone goes when they are hit with balefire, take a thread from our world and add it to a fourth world another reason not to use balefire).

This all leads down to min and the green man. I think that they have the talent to see between the second and third worlds. Though the green man seems to be able to tell the present also because he could see what perrin and rand are. I think that they have similar talents.

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Tamyrlin: 2004-08-04

So, you believe that the Pattern is made up of four dimensions. I do agree that the Pattern encompasses a variety of dimensions, but I don't understand why you would need your "second and third" worlds, why can't it all happen in the fourth "world" you mention? Also, the beings you discuss, Min and the Green Man, are able to understand how the pattern will affect individuals in the real world. So, are they really seeing the "second and third"? I would suggest re-thinking your idea, and using a few quotes to support suggestions in your theory regarding travel between worlds within the fourth world.

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Callandor: 2004-08-05

**Well I have been thinking and it has come to me that min and the green man have close abilities.**

Min sees pieces of the Pattern about people sometimes. The Green Man is very observant, and knowledgable.

In The Eye of the World, many people remark that Rand looks like an Aiel. The Green Man says he's a "Child of the Dragon." The Aiel are the People of the Dragon. The Green Man is simply saying, "Hey you, you're an Aiel."

He says the same thing to Perrin. He is one of the few to recognize that he is a Wolfbrother.

Loial is easy. He easily sees and knows what an Ogier is.

For anything else, The Green Man was ordered by Aes Sedai following a Foretelling, to guard the Eye of the World, which he did until his death 3500+ years ago.

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timetorollthedice: 2004-08-05

When people start coming up with theories like this, it's obvious that the release of the next book is long overdue...

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jagaidan: 2004-08-10

the green man cant read the pattern he called rand child of the dragon that is wat the aiel are or were called u must remeber that he is a remenant of the age of legends

an perrrin he must hav recognised the colour of his eyez they might hav known wat it meant in the aol

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a dragonburned fool: 2004-08-12

It's pleasant to see theory like that. However I'm not sure it needs lot of developement yet, for to be appliable to explaining WoT-world.

The so called third world: it seems to correspond to the great lace that the pattern weaves from both Rand's world and the mirror worlds (in the ch.1 of BWB), and it seems to correspond to what Verin said about MWs building.... let me better give the quote:

The Dragon Reborn CHAPTER 21 - A World of Dreams

"Very good. But the Pattern may be even more complex than that, child. The Wheel weaves our lives to make the Pattern of an Age, but the Ages themselves are woven into the Age Lace, the Great Pattern. Who can know if this is even the tenth part of the weaving, though? Some in the Age of Legends apparently believe that there were still other worlds - even harder to reach than the worlds of the Portal Stones, if that can be believed - lying like this." She drew more lines, cross-hatching the first set. For a moment she stared at them. "The warp and the woof of the weave. Perhaps the Wheel of Time weaves a still greater Pattern from worlds." Straightening, she dusted her hands. "Well, that is neither here nor there. In all of these worlds, whatever their other variations, a few things are constant. One is that the Dark One is imprisoned in all of them."

If this is what You mean under your world3, it seems to be something not of the same category as w1 and w2, but a meta-level for both. "Warp and woof" means that it is pattern of worlds, so it could be maybe called a 3d "dimension", and it is something as process of taking everything together, but the problem is, that it is not something that can be upgraded by what You call w4. Such w3 would be too much over the process #4, it would be something much more ... huge then what w4 could provide. It would take the worlds of the portal stones as material and will build something much more impressive. So if w4 is taking w1, w2, AND w3 and making Mirror worlds, it would mean hyper-super-mega-processes, that do not correspond to the relatively not so significant MWs we have in the books.

But if what You are speaking about under the name "w3" is not what Verin is speaking about, but rather the process of collecting particular events and weaving them into complete context, it will cause something like photo of a moment of the live of a Mirror world. So w4 will be something like taking different w3 for different moments in time and binding it like frames into a movie.

The second suggestions looks closer to what I can read in Your theory. But the first suggestion is closer to what Your theory pretends to explain about fortellings. If w1-w2-w3-w4 is the process of weaving of different MWs, why this will give foretellings that tell the only true outcome in Rand's world, not in any MW. It would be explanable if w3 is what Verin is speaking about, because such Great Pattern will have all the Mirror worlds under one scope and will see the constants for all them, and so will include all the possible factors in all possible world. But that will not explain the implications You make about the w4 and the Mirror worlds.

So You have either to give up the explanations for the foretellings, or to give up the explanation for the portal stone worlds. Your considerations about Travelling from a MW assume that there is no meta-world that can be called "Great Pattern", and that can make the pattern-difference (Travelling uses Pattern, so uncapability to come back from a MW by Travelling will mean incapability to distinguish between Pattern) between the mirror worlds and Rand's world. But Foretellings will need exactly such meta-world, that can distinguish between valid and invalid events and to give the true future exactly for Rand's world.

And, because I'm proud author of a theory about how Mirror worlds are created and how they are used for foretellings, I will advertise it here: it's title is "How Mirror Worlds are used by the Wheel" and it is to be found in the "Wheel of Time" section of the theories here.