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Tamyrlin: 2002-11-14
Well...I can't disagree with any idea that I also push on the boards. It has always made sense to me that Lanfear has to play a part in the re-sealing of the bore since she was a main player in its creation. I like the spin you have provided. This would be a nice play on words by Jordan. Disagreements anyone?
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pointyman: 2002-11-15
How ironic would it be that the DO brings back from death the instrument of his own defeat? I like it :)
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oldmanfish: 2002-11-15
Or is this one of the things RJ is talking about when he tells us that sometimes he makes things real easy to figure out, but there still ends up being some big conspiracy theory?
When several clues point to one answer... sometime that's the answer!
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Eilonwy: 2002-11-19
Lanfear is the rejected lover for the time being, though. The only way I see her helping Rand is if she thinks that she's won him back, or will win him back by helping. He'd have a lot of work to do on her bruised ego, though.
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Callandor: 2002-12-11
Ok... everyone can basically say for sure that Min is always correct in her viewings that she knows or can explain. And now you have one where she admits she is wrong? Sounds WAY to unlikly for the woman to be dead and gone NOT to be Moirane. 2+1 dont equal 4 but 7+7=14. :-)
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Vaughn882: 2003-04-28
I've had an idea about this too, and I think I can give more reasons why and how she would help. My belief is that your both right- Rand needs both Moiraine and Lanfear to succeed. How does this work? It is beleived by many, including me, that in entering the ter'angreal gateway they were fused, either their bodies, souls, or both. This would give reason how and why Cyndane would help Rand in the end. Moiraiane would help because they're freinds, and Lanfear has the capabilities and knowledge to perhaps seal the bore. THe problem with that-why isn't Moiraine in control now? My theory is that Cyndane is being forced to work against Rand (at least the Moiraine half is) by Moridin who holds her stone thingie (i ferget what its called, but u know wut i mean, the thing he controls mogy w/). Heck, with some more research and evidence i might turn this into a theory of my own.
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desperate: 2003-04-29
Hi guys - new victim here
I am inclined to think that there are a number of contenders for this title.
Setalle Anan, who is probably the burnt out aes sedai who used to experiment with Ter'angreal.
Moiraine, everyone's favourite aes sedai, finder of the Dragon Reborn, slayer of Forsaken
Lanfear/Meirin/Cyndane - truly a scary option here!
Morgase, ex-Queen of Andor, ex-servant of Faile, now co-slave of Faile
Given Min is inclined to think of Moiraine first, we are led to think of her, and only her. But RJ had me fooled about Taimandred, so I am now suspicious of what look easy.
Lanfear has the attraction that it will mean her redemption. She was part of the team to drill the bore, and was then spurned by LTT, fell victim to jealousy, and became a Forsaken. Can she be rescued in her heart by mere platonic compassion? Will Rand have this left in him at the end? Stay tuned...
Morgase will be a heartbreaker, 'cos Gawyn will need to let his hatred of Rand go, and Rand will need to forgive himself as well for not rescuing her.
Setalle is an outsider compared to these others, but then I look forward to being proven wrong by RJ. That is the attraction of these books.
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Dorindha: 2003-04-29
But when you see Cyndane's point of view in WH, she is full of hate for Rand - she is just Lanfear reincarnated, and out for vengeance after what happened last time she saw him. I don't believe there is any Moiraine in there.
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Callandor: 2003-04-29
Setelle Anan is the woman who is no longer. She was needed to find the Bowl of the Winds.
Morgase isnt dead so shes out.
Cyndane hates Rand with a passion.
Moiraine seems like the only option that fits and actually makes sense.
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Mashiara: 2003-04-29
Here are some more:
Cadsuane - everyone thought she was dead. Rand can't do without her.
Ilyena - we don't know that she doesn't have a new incarnation, nor that she can't affect this world. Lanfear refers to her as a milksop but I doubt anyone who can marry the Dragon could possibly be a milksop...Mierin's just jealous anyway. If Ilyena plays any part in this Age, note that she has the Foretelling, I think (gotta read Dragonmount again). Though IMHO I doubt she'll have any part.
To put it bluntly...I doubt RJ had anyone specific in mind when he wrote that. Rand needs a lot of dead women's help. But I hope it is Lanfear, because I don't like her chained up...villains that awesome should be free...and I want to see what she would do severed from the DO. I think Cyndane was probably already ressurected by the time of the viewing, though...Lanfear would thus have been "dead", but not "gone".
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jayenigma: 2003-04-30
We're missing an obvious thread of thought here...
Everyone is assuming that the 'woman who is dead and gone' is a seperate viewing, probably about Rand. But Min, in this scene, isn't Viewing anybody - she's reflecting. Which means it's a reference to a prior Viewing.
Now, this doesn't really eliminate anybody, since it could be a prior viewing of Rand. But I doubt it. I think it was a prior viewing of Moiraine (or possibly Lanfear, but I doubt that) that spawned these thoughts. After all, Min's reflections until then were on Moiraine.
I could be wrong on this... but all the evidence really does point at Moiraine, not Lanfear or anybody else. However, if it's not Moiraine, it pretty much has to be Lanfear.
Unless it's some random Aiel Maiden who was killed in a battle before that. Wouldn't that stink?
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spearmaiden: 2003-06-26
I have a hard time believing that Lanfear is the woman Min is refering to. Min would not have just mused that "He will almost certainly fail without a woman who is dead and gone," if she had had a viewing about Lanfear. She would have been shocked, outraged, quizzical, and tried to work it out in her head how such an evil person would be needed.
Instead, she just makes the above mentionned statement, while fretting that she had a viewing that had failed her.
If Lanfear were the woman in question, the focus would have been on how one of the Forsaken could possibly be essential for Rand's success, not on the fact that she had had a faulty vision.
