ram will kill Faile
by Sir Milo: 2003-10-08 | Not yet rated
- " You did the boy no favor, Elyas had told Perrin. You helped him let go of what he believed, and now all he has to believe in is you and that sword. It's not enough, not for any man." Leaving the Prophet ( WH )
I don't necessarily believe that Aram is a Darkfriend - I just think quotes like the one above are to show the shallowness of his morality - it is based soley on Perrin - he has no grounds on which to judge right and wrong except what he thinks will serve Perrin. Given this lack of morals, which Jordan has went to lengths to show on various ocassions, and Egwene's dream about a Tinker hurting Perrin which is obviously also there for a reason, I believe Aram will wind up killing our dear Lady Faile. What could hurt Perrin more?
The current situation with the Shaido and Faile's captivity begs to be exploited. Here's how I think Jordan will play this out.
During a rescue mission, Aram finds Faile first - with Rolan. Aram, consumed by rage, kills both the Aiel and Faile. Another quote:
" . . . he near enough worshipped Faile, if only because she was Perrin's wife " Taken ( WH )
It also mentions in earlier places that Aram is jealous of Faile's closeness to Perrin. It is pretty clear that Aram's allegiance is to Perrin - Faile is an extension of this, she loves Perrin. But If Aram sees her in a slightly compromising situation with our pal Rolan, he may suddenly see her as using Perrin. Jordan has also went to lengths to show how full of anger Aram is, killing Faile is, therefore, a decision he would definitely be capable of making.
The effect this would have on Perrin would be monumental - he would be shattered. Who know's what he would do in this state? Possibly see it all as leading back to Rand, since it was his mission in the first place, and go to betray/kill his former friend ( there is a dream/viewing about someone close to Rand betraying him isn't there? ). Wouldn't that be an amazing chapter from Perrin's perspective? Him going to kill Rand?
Okay, that last is maybe to dark for Jordan, but it would be kinda cool.
Have at it . . .
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Tamyrlin: 2003-10-09
I agree, for some strange reason, not that your ideas aren't good ones to agree with. I have always thought that Faile would die, and Aram's introduction and the viewings and dreams and smells, have led me to believe that he will be instrumental in her death, causing a madness to overtake Perrin. But I believe that Perrin will lean towards the wolf, raise an army of them, and come to Rand's aid at the final battle, after he has been missing for months. (Okay, so I just made that up right now, the whole, Perrin will go missing thing, but it gives him some time to find the wolves...) As to how Aram comes to the point of killing Faile, I don't know that I agree with how it happens. I don't know that Aram would kill Faile, finding her with Rolan, but I am sure he would kill Rolan. His anger might build after that time, and if he believes she is about to betray Perrin again, maybe then he would. Then again, maybe I would like Faile to die. ;)
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shane: 2003-10-09
I like this idea that Aram's blind faith in Perrin will lead him to hurt Perrin, but as to kill Faile I think not, maybe mislead Perrin that she is dead if he catches her with Rolan. Then Perrin goes mad and as Tamyrlin suggested
''causing a madness to overtake Perrin. But I believe that Perrin will lean towards the wolf, raise an army of them, and come to Rand's aid at the final battle''
Ties up the image from an earlier book where Perrin leads a massive pack of wolves to the last battle. kinda cool
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Korell: 2003-10-09
Because of the way Perrin is emotionaly i dont think he would belive Faile dead unless he actually saw the body just somthing to think about on top of all this though i do like this theory alot better then Aram is a DF
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Deadsy: 2003-10-09
"there is a dream/viewing about someone close to Rand betraying him isn't there?"
The only I can think of is the one about Bashere. He might die or turn against Rand. I don't think there is any dream about someoen betraying him.
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Callandor: 2003-10-09
Why the heck does everyone think Faile will die? Every single person must hate her guts; I admit she isn't always the greatest character in the series, but she is far from the worst.
Aram practically worships Faile, as your quote says, but why the heck would he want to kill Faile then? Aram wouldn't want Perrin mad at him and maybe finding himself in a situation where he would be killed; and he killed Faile, I think Perrin would kill Aram in a heartbeat if he knew. So, why? No dang point to it. None.
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Dragon: 2003-10-12
I'm new at Theoryland though I discussed WoT already on other sites and especially like to theorize; so "hello" to everybody!
About this theory.
Sorry Sir Milo, but I don't think you give any convincing evidence that Aram will kill Faile.
It's just speculation.
I could say in the same way that e.g. Masema will kill Faile to shatter Perrin and that this would be kinda cool, too.
I also don't see how this could happen.
How can Aram enter the Shaido camp and surprize Faile in such a situation?
If he doesn't like Faile as you say he surely wouldn't attend in a rescue party.
And if Faile is freed already she surely wouldn't spend much time with Rolan.
I believe it is likely that Aram is a DF and/or will cause trouble, maybe under the influence of Masema
But I just don't think he will kill Faile.
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heronblade: 2003-10-19
what if perrin and the gang rescue faile and all the others who were made GS after they destroy the shaido. all the captives will be taken into perrins camp where some will stay, some will start to make their way to their homes, and the aiel who were GS will stay GS for their year and a day. rolan will perhaps be confused and confront faile about her flirting in the camp where perrin or perhaps Aram will overhear. If its aram then more than likely he will be angery and hurt, not kill the two before giving perrin the news. a tinker hurting perrin. ps. this would be a good time for B to fall for her man in white. she could defend him and faile to perrin and fall maddly in love.
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Cor Shan: 2003-10-19
Nono, Rolan KNOWS about Perrin:
***
Cor Shans Winters Heart or COT:
Some Page, Some Chapter with a Falcon symbol.
Rolan: Wanna Hang out
Faile: I Have a husband
Rolan: What you do while GS never happend to you.
Faile(thought): Hmm, if I _FLIRT_ with him I might be able to escape more easilier.
***
So: Faile will FLIRT wil Rolan; when Faile escapes, Rolan, will act like nothing ever happend between them
Perrin and Faile are utterly decicated to each other, so no Berelain falling for GS Perrin.....
What about Rolan being GS then MIW? I think 50-50 with Galad.
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Korell: 2003-10-20
I belive that the man in white is actually more likly Galad (if he does not turn to the dark>) there has really not been any indication of Rolan being a man in white (UNLESS he is taken Gaishan) which could happen when the enevitable battle insues however it has been suggested in posts on a couple other theories that Galad could be the man in white with the exception of the whole white cloak thing everything else would probly be circumstancial i would love to see this happen though Galad and Berlain hooking up that is even though i dont particularly like Galad i despite what others think cant see him going over to the Dark "he always does the right thing even if it gets him in trouble" he is described like this by Gawyn and Elayne to more then one person i dont think that the incentive that has been put on this would be there if this was the case. Is Galad really going to run up to the Lord Captain Commander and say im a Dark Friend I think it might be more likly that Galad could end up heading the White Cloaks he has the background and the Ability plus it would make a certain situation interesting with Rand especially when he eventually finds out that Rand is his half brother which it could but at this point does not seem likly
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e: 2003-10-28
Aram's not going to kill Faile. Why do you people hate Faile that much that you would like to see her die. I admit though, that would be pretty crazy if that happened. And Perrin would go all crazy and into exile, coming out in the end with millions of wolves to fight at Tarmon Gaidon... sorry. No, but seriously, never have the books said Aram was to cause Perrin harm. They have hinted at it in a way, but that could just be our imaginations. In truth, the dream Egwene had was of Perrin running away from a Tinker, not of being hurt by him.
Elyas was merely pointing out that Aram is hollow, not shallow. He has nothing to live for but Perrin, AND Faile. If Perrin were to die, Aram would dedicate his life for Faile, if he hasn't already done so. Elyas was pointing out to Perrin that Aram is his responsibility. Perrin realized that, but didn't really want to think about it at that moment. Aram's life revolves around Perrin AND Faile. If they were both to die, he'd have nothing to live for and that was what Elyas was saying. That he needs something more, or else he'll be nothing but a shell.
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HunterofTrollocs: 2003-10-29
I don't believe in your theory, however, it is a good one to play off of. Faile, Zarine, is a heartbreaker of men and will break Perrin's heart before he finds his Falcon. I believe that Faile will fall in love with the aiel who is courting her. This would hurt Perrin in such a way that would be devastating. I believe that is when Aram will try to hurt Perrin. I don't know how, b/c Robert Jordan can not be predicted as all of you seem to think so easily.
Good thoughts however.
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Jalt Varyd: 2003-10-29
I think there's no doubt that Faile IS the Falcon. She clearly loves Perrin very much; I would be VERY surprised if she fell in love with anyone else, including Rolan. Perrin is the primary focus of Aram's life- it seems quite unlikely that he would TRY to hurt him. It's possible, I suppose - strong emotions can reverse suddenly - but unlikely.
I'm not sure why so many people seem to want Faile dead (I'd rather have Berelain die myself, though that can't happen until she meets the Man in White (probably Galad, I say). At least Faile actually cares about Perrin.), but 'Aram finds Faile with Rolan and kills her' does seem like a possibility. I think if Faile does get killed (by anyone), Perrin will go mad and 1) Try to kill whoever killed her, and 2) (if he survives 1) lose his humanity and retreat completely to the wolf part of his mind. That could be an interesting development, but hopefully by now RJ is concentrating on tying up loose ends instead of creating more problems.
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Callandor: 2003-10-29
**Faile, Zarine, is a heartbreaker of men and will break Perrin's heart before he finds his Falcon. I believe that Faile will fall in love with the aiel who is courting her.**
Are you forgetting what Faile even means? Falcon, HELLO! Faile is Perrin's Falcon; Berelain is the Hawk. He has found both and has picked Faile. She loves him, and he loves her. They are married and take this marrige very seriously. I do not see why people think they need to break up because she is captured and why everyone thinks she will die.
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Cor Shan: 2003-10-30
I stand by that Faile is UTTERLY in love with Perrin. None of this running off. We know of zero characters who has a name even close to Falcon (save Faile and the Cha Faile). Perrin thinks all of the Wetland-Aiel are off in the head so no hope of that.
Has Min seen the Flashy rings around Perrin and any Cha Faile? No... but too many falcon visions to be otherwise.
I like the Mat taking the wine from Lanfear in the EotW Ishameal dreams for the betrayer rather than Perrin.
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waterbucket: 2004-05-04
We all know Faile loves Perrin, but I wouldn't put it past her to seduce Rolan to escape. I also wouldn't put it past Aram to kill Faile if he finds out.
Winter's Heart Ch.2 - Taken
*The one-time Tinker did not like Elyas, but he near enough worshipped Faile, if only because she was Perrin's wife.*
Perrin first, Faile second.
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Callandor: 2004-05-08
**I also wouldn't put it past Aram to kill Faile if he finds out.
Perrin first, Faile second.**
You counter your own idea. If Aram is for Perrin first, and Perrin is for Faile, then Aram is for Faile, and he would not kill her, for it would be similar to harming Perrin.
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Jaidh: 2004-05-09
I agree with you up until the point that Perrin will go and kill Rand. Perrin is already aware that his life is not the life of a normal person and is ready for the worst to happen in all cases.
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brother of Battles: 2004-07-09
There is no way that Perrin will Kill Rand. Nor is there anyway for him to go into hiding, for the simple fact of Min's viewing. She said that Perrin will need to be there for Rand twice or Rand will die, or something like that. Everyone knows that the first time was Dumai's Wells(sp?). So how could Perrin be there for him the second time if he goes running off? Unless of course Rand goes and meets with the imposter DotNM and gets captured by the DF Suroth, then Perrin goes with Mat and Tuon back to Ebou Dar and finds out about him and rescues him. But that is getting off the subject.
However, no matter how much I would love to see Faile die, it won't happen. If she was to die, the light alone knows want that would do to Perrin and this late in the series RJ need to start tieing in his loose ends, not start more.
Also, I do believe that Aram will still be the Tinker that hurts Perrin. However much I might not like it, you can not rule out him being a DF. If you remember the meeting of the DFs at the beginning of TGH( I think it was that book, but can't remember off the top of my head) there was at least one tinker at the meeting. In fact, Bors(carridin) actually commenting on seeing a tinker there practically screams RJ's style of foreshadowing to me. Plus, everyone that Bors picked out of the crowd was known to be a DF later. Liandrin was the AS, the Shienarin with the top knot was Intar, so logically the Tinker was Aram. Also, to the best of my knowledge, we have never had a POV from Aram. All this loyalty he is supose to have could just be a guise that everyone is falling for. Who knows what instructions he recieved at that meeting. Maybe to bring his caravan of tinkers to the Two Rivers where it could be ambused and set Aram up to become Rand's shadow. That sounds like something Ishy would do if you look at what he did with Hawkwing.
So, Aram will not till Faile, Perrin will not go insane and run away, Aram is a DF and will hurt perrin somehow along those lines.
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brother of Battles: 2004-07-12
Opps, I meant to say Perrin's Shadow, not Rand's. Aram was set up to be Perrin's shadow.
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Ashaman Thunder Leader: 2004-07-16
Aram would never hurt Faile because that would hurt Perrin and he would never do anything to hurt him. I think it more likely that Aram will become so violent that Perrin would be forced to kill him. It would hurt Perrin to kill a friend and that would meet the dream. Or a even morew likely theory is that Perrin was already hurt by a Tinker. Aram's grandma said(sorry don't have exact quote) you have taken my grandson from me. You have become a wolf in your heart. Then she runs away crying. This hurt Perrin deeply and Faile told him right after"I don't like to see you hurt." Obviously she didn't mean physically so it must be what Arams grandma said to him.
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banner general1: 2007-01-14
well in the kod he was killed while attacking Perrin
