averen and the Seanchan
by waterbucket: 2004-05-01 | 5 out of 10 (3 votes)
I strongly believe that the big three will meet up soon. The thread holding them all together right now is the Seanchan. Rand is about to meet Suroth, Mat is with Tuon, and Perrin is thinking about asking for Seanchan aid in order to rescue Faile. This is definitely setting up a huge reunion.
Okay, first of all is Rand. We know he's about to meet the fake DotNM, probably in Ebou Dar, and most likely be captured. Throw in the male a'dam if you like. I'm not sure how this will happen as Rand is super channeller and unless he's stupid, he'll probably bring some Asha'man as a bodyguard against Seanchan da'mane. Whatever happens, he'll be around Seanchan sometime in the near future.
Mat has just left Ebou Dar with Tuon. Yes, there really isn't a good reason for him to go back, but let's just say that Mat or Tuon get word that the Dragon Reborn is meeting with the Daughter of the Nine Moons. Tuon doesn't know a thing about this, so they realize something is going on and turn back to warn Rand.
Perrin's a bit of a far stretch. We do know he'll probably accept help from the Seanchan in order to rescue Faile. It's likely the Seanchan commander (forgot his name) will take a liking to Perrin. Everyone seems to like Perrin at first sight and hey, he's taveren. Maybe Perrin tags along with the Seanchan to Ebou Dar after he hears some big meeting is going on between Rand and the Seanchan. He could walk in at the right time, smell Suroth, figure somethings wrong, and save Rand. I guess this could count as the second time he'd have to be there to save Rand too.
The gist is pretty much that the Seanchan is going to bring Rand, Mat, and Perrin together in the near future. Perrin's probably the weakest link in this theory (just like in the series), but I think that chances of this happening are pretty high.
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Tamyrlin: 2004-07-20
(Frenzy for Tamyrlin)
Perrin's reacted to the Pattern pulling him towards Rand in the past, that may be a strong enough motivator to do it again. Assuming Perrin has resolved his Faile conundrum, since I doubt even the Pattern could pull him away until Faile is free or dead.
Tuon would probaly insist on returning to Ebou Dar (or anywhere for that matter) if word got to her that the Daughter of the Nine Moons is doing anything, especially involving the Dragon Reborn. Getting the Dragon Reborn to kneel to the Crystal Throne is one of the main reasons she left Seanchan in the first place. Besides, I doubt she'd tolerate an unofficial decoy. OR Suroth so wildly overstepping herself.
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charliec: 2004-07-20
I think the big three NEED to meet up soon, before the whole flashing colours thang gets heavy enough to damage them...
I just finished CoT again, and was wondering about this Rand/Seanchan meeting. The relative timings of the end of Mat's story and Rand's isn't clear, if anything I would guess there's a few days after Tuon pulls the fast one on Mat and Rand arranges his meeting. It occurred to me that Rand might not actually end up meeting the fake Daughter of the Nine Moons, but Tuon herself with Mat in tow. I don't really believe it yet, but it might be possible...
As for Perrin, once he's got Faile back, he's got nothing else to do except to find Rand, with Alliandre et al.
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Callandor: 2004-07-20
**Okay, first of all is Rand. We know he's about to meet the fake DotNM, probably in Ebou Dar, and most likely be captured. Throw in the male a'dam if you like. I'm not sure how this will happen as Rand is super channeller and unless he's stupid, he'll probably bring some Asha'man as a bodyguard against Seanchan da'mane. Whatever happens, he'll be around Seanchan sometime in the near future.**
This is always the hindrance to any Rand meeting the Seanchan theory. I don't care how blind people say Rand is, he would not meet them in their hold. At the very least, the very, VERY least, he would pick neutral ground, if not his own. They want to meet him, let them come to him not him to them.
**Mat has just left Ebou Dar with Tuon. Yes, there really isn't a good reason for him to go back, but let's just say that Mat or Tuon get word that the Dragon Reborn is meeting with the Daughter of the Nine Moons. Tuon doesn't know a thing about this, so they realize something is going on and turn back to warn Rand.**
How would they know this? Rand is in Tear, the only people that know of his coming truce is Rand, Logain, Bashere, and Loial and some people to know, and then the Seanchan in Ebou Dar, which Mat and Tuon have absolutely no contact with. Unless the plan for the meeting spreads like wildfire through the Seanchan territory, and they believe it (you know Mat might just cast doubt on it), and it is a good enough reason for Mat to turn back and face a probable death sentence (death by slow torture to touch the Daughter of the Nine Moons, let alone kidnap her), then sure, they could know of it.
**Perrin's a bit of a far stretch. We do know he'll probably accept help from the Seanchan in order to rescue Faile. It's likely the Seanchan commander (forgot his name) will take a liking to Perrin. Everyone seems to like Perrin at first sight and hey, he's taveren. Maybe Perrin tags along with the Seanchan to Ebou Dar after he hears some big meeting is going on between Rand and the Seanchan. He could walk in at the right time, smell Suroth, figure somethings wrong, and save Rand. I guess this could count as the second time he'd have to be there to save Rand too.**>
Faile comes first. Unless the Seanchan take care of the Shaido situation (the reason they are even their), and help Perrin rescue Faile, and then Perrin is still with them, and goes to Ebou Dar, then sure.
**It occurred to me that Rand might not actually end up meeting the fake Daughter of the Nine Moons, but Tuon herself with Mat in tow. I don't really believe it yet, but it might be possible...**
Main thing:
Why would they go back to Ebou Dar? Mat spent almost 4 books getting OUT of Ebou Dar. Why would he go willfully back?
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Zader: 2004-07-20
Perrin wil not need to ask for Seanchan help, he can demand it. He has the writ signed by Suroth.
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Anubis: 2004-07-21
rand is arrogant, and if he brings a certain sword or perhaps a statue then he has good reason to be. perrin is going to meet with the seanchan soon as well, to try to get their help in rescuing falie.
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waterbucket: 2004-07-22
Anubis is right, Callandor. Power has gone to Rand's head and he is more than capable of going to a Seanchan stronghold if he is taunted or challenged, just to prove his own courage and power. Rand wants everybody to know he's invincible, the only problem with that is he's not.
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Strongbow: 2004-07-22
I agree that the seanchan will end up catching Rand I suspect one of the forsaken is behind it, in the end Demandred or Semirhage or both. Then I agree Perrin comes to rescue him, links up with the saving Rand twice viewing. Not sure about Matt though, think he might link up with the wolf from Arad Doman, so that Rand gains his support.
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a dragonburned fool: 2004-07-23
Perrin is around the city of Malden in northern Altara, and this Malden was IIRC on the road between Ebou Dar and Lugard. Mat is traveling the same road in direction Lugard, he is very close to Ebou Dar yet, but he is moving exactly in the direction, Malden is. If Mat would leave the show, he could move faster in the direction. Rand would try to choose a neutral place for the meeting with the fake DotNM. Seanchans would most likely insist it to be close to the territories they are controlling. Because the first place to think about - the mountaint between Illian and Ebou Dar (first to think because it is the hottest place of conflict betweeen Seanchans and Rand), was allready used for Rand's anti-Seanchan campaign, i.e. there are too many bad memories assotiated with this region, it would be not diplomatically wise to meet exactly there. So the next likely choice would be somewhere in north from the Illian-Althara border. This next place is the Murandy-Altara border. Currently a Seanchan army is moving towards Malden to fight agains Shaido, but Malden itself is outside the Seanchan controlled territories. So Malden actually marks the Seanchan border in Murandy direction. So I would expect that Rand and Suroth's DotNM would meet some miles northern from Malden. If Tuon would find out about this meeting, I would expect her to want moving as fast as possible directly to the place of the meeting for to appear suddenly exactly on the place where the important decisions are to be taken. That could make possible the meeting of the 3 ta'verens.
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Callandor: 2004-07-24
**Power has gone to Rand's head and he is more than capable of going to a Seanchan stronghold if he is taunted or challenged, just to prove his own courage and power.**
Wow....
You know that might be true, if Rand did not know of the total danger the Seanchan pose to him.
Let's see. A man who has been harmed in more ways then one by lots of female channlers... is going to go head first into an entire culture based upon them?
Rand is arrogant, no crap, but not dumber then a stone.
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mako0424: 2004-07-24
i think rand will meet with the Seanchan first thinking he is invinvcible, he will be caught by Anath/Semirhage and liandrin, but Perrin in conjunction with Cadsuane and a host of other people will save him again
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matoyak: 2004-08-03
what in the world does IIRC mean? Its been bothering me ever since i came to this sight! :( and i believe that yes rand will get the sad bracelets on him by some means (which i agree with callandor [yet again] and that it will take something like them agreeing to something like ~you bring 4 damanre and i will too but the seanchan breaking that and bringing 50. that is what it would take :) and then perrin will come and save him and rand will lose a hand in the proccess. (that takes care of the perrin will save you twice for something horrible to do with the one power thing) the rest of what i think about that is under (if it ever gets put up :( predictions:rand and theories rand and suroth:rand, suroth, TG, prophecies and so on. trust me; you can find it if you look (and if it ever gets put up!) p.s. i liked the idea of the one with the murandy idea. that was very well thought up and will probably happen.
(edit: IIRC = If I Recall/Remember Correctly. --Frenzy)
