he Recognition Factor.
by Aelfinn: 2004-02-06 | 4 out of 10 (2 votes)
I was just rereading the end of WH a little while ago, and this is what I came up with. Picture this.
You are an Aes Sedai - Green, I think. You have bonded an Asha'man, and come to have at least "fondness" for each other. There is another Aes Sedai of your Ajah who's definitely a legend, and if not sworn to her, you're pretty close.
She has brought you, your Warders (the Asha'man and one other), and some other Aes Sedai to Shadar Logoth, where the Dragon Reborn has a crazy scheme to cleanse the Taint. Your Asha'man gets all dreamy when he thinks about it, and you hope it will succeed as well, because you like him a lot.
The legend Aes Sedai (Cadsuane) has divided you into linked groups to keep the Dragon Reborn from being hurt. You and your Asha'man are in a link, along with some others and a different Aes Sedai directing it.
You are walking around when a - to tell the truth -, gorgeous woman steps out from behind the trees, and says something to the effect of her being lost. You feel your Asha'man's sudden surprise and shock. He screams, "She's holding saidin!" and jumps at her. The Aes Sedai in charge of the link draws on all of you, and...
What happens next? We know that Halima/Aran'gar isn't dead, and that Eben (the Asha'man Warder) got killed by "her", somehow.
Merise and Daighan know that a male channeller said that a female (bad guy) was holding saidin. That "female" killed the Asha'man and disappeared somehow.
I think that one of those Aes Sedai will go to TiE (Tower in Exile) and recognize Halima. Heck, they could just have told "her" description to another that Aran'gar didn't see, and THAT Aes Sedai goes to wherever Egwene's are and recognizes Halima.
Probably while Egwene's still captive.
I haven't kept track of the rest of the Cleansing group, so I probably made some mistakes. Do you know?
Probable or not, the above is what I want to happen.
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Tamyrlin: 2004-02-21
This moment did force Halima to be more out in the open about her unusual circumstances. I admit, it is possible that this will be Halima's downfall, but will Aes Sedai associated with Rand ever be near the White Tower or Egwene's group in the near future? Interesting idea.
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Rand alThor15: 2004-02-21
Tam said :
"but will Aes Sedai associated with Rand ever be near the White Tower or Egwene's group in the near future? Interesting idea. "
I don't think that the AS following Rand will ever be close the other AS, whether they are following Egwene or Elaida as long as Rand is afraid of them, hates them, or stays away from them. The RAS (Rand's Aes Sedai) have become fond of Rand, they are starting to like him or already do (except Cadsuane i think), thus they will react around the TAS (Tower Aes Sedai) and SAS (Salidar Aes Sedai) the same way Rand will.
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Deadsy: 2004-02-21
I think this will definitely be how she is found out. I think Rand's AS will be near the tower. He still has to face the Amyrlin's anger, and the Aes Sedai aren't going to let Egwene/Elaida (whoever you think will be the Amyrlin at the time) meet him outside of the White Tower. I doubt he's willing to go inside there without a guard.
But the main reason I think this is how it will happen is because it wasn't Merise. It was Beldeine:
"'A strange place to be riding,' Beldeine said suspiciously. The pretty Green had not been pleased when Cadsuane put Daigian in charge, and she had taken every opportunity to state her opinion of Daigian's decisions.
'I hadn't meant to ride so far,' the woman said coming closer. 'I see you're all Aes Sedai. With a . . . groom? Do you know what all the commotion is about?'
Suddenly, Eben felt the blood drain from his face. What he felt was impossible! The green-eyed woman frowned in surprise, and he did the only thing that he could.
'She's holding saidin!' he shouted, and threw himself at her as he felt Daigian draw deeply on the Power."
Beldeine was Egwene's Keeper when she went through the rings. I know those don't tell the absolute truth, but this is a good way for that to happen. Beldeine knows what Halima looks like and that she channeled Saidin. If she "saves the day" by recognizing her then Egwene will have to thank her and she'll find out that her name is Beldeine (if she doesn't recognize her anyway. But she might not because Beldeine had the ageless face in the rings). Egwene might make her Keeper eventually just because she saw it happen in the rings. They're also close to the same age so she might like that as well.
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charliec: 2004-02-21
Good idea, I like it... I've been pondering about how Halima's going to get caught out, and this does make sense.
Alternative would be that she pushes Delana (or someone else) just a little bit too far, and they start showing spine.
I'm not sure when one of Rand's AS would end up with the rebel lot though, I think they'd mostly want to stay well away as they'd definitely be called to account for their blunders...
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Murrin: 2004-02-21
Hmm... I can see Daigian being sent (perhaps with others) to Tar Valon at some point with a message from Rand... Either they know about the rebel camp and go there, or they end up their when they find it in their way, and Daigian sees Halima, gets mad at her (she's still unbalanced after losing Eben), and Halima is forced to defend herself - and reveals herself. She escapes, to turn up later and approach Egwene (while no-one who knows is around, and before Egwene has learned the truth)...
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Elder Haman: 2004-02-21
I don't want to slander her- but wasn't it revealed in LofC that Beldeine is Black Ajah? Isn't she the one who is determined to get Rand to the Last Battle so he can be defeated by the Dark One?
RJ's making my head hurt again!
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Callandor: 2004-02-22
**I don't want to slander her- but wasn't it revealed in LofC that Beldeine is Black Ajah?**
No, that was Elza Penfell in WH. :)
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Deadsy: 2004-02-22
No she isn't. You're about the 5th person I've seen say that. I'm starting to feel sorry for her.
It's Elza Penfel you're thinking of.
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Mairashda: 2004-02-22
My favorite scenario for getting rid of "Halima" involves the seanchan:
the rebel aes sedai camp is overrun by the seanchan, "Halima" tries to lie low and allows herself to be tested by suldam- after all she knows, she isn't a woman channeler- so the test fails and she'll be allowed to just walk away... the collar snaps around her neck and both "Halima" and the sul'dam drop dead. is there a more fitting end?
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A Random Finn: 2004-02-23
Another way Halima can be discovered is the possible alliance with the Black Tower. If Asha'man arrive at the TiE before Halima realizes it, they may be able to detect a man channeling where there are no men.
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dragonsceptor: 2004-02-23
I don't think it is likely for this to be how Halima is found out. The RAS (I like this acronym :) ) are going to stay as far away from either tower as they can (with the exception of Cads. Cads will come and go where she wants and I don't think anyone can stop her. However, most of those with her are either sworn to Rand (a huge no-no in the AS world) or are openly assisting him (I don't know many AS who would be happy to have this knowledge made public). I think that the RAS will be so scare of facing the rest of the AS and dealing with the consequences/punishment, they won't go anywhere near any other AS. I think Halima will get caught when Egwene is freed. I think her time away (with no headaches and a clear mind) will help her to connect the dots to Halima.
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charliec: 2004-02-23
I really like your idea Mairashda, but can't see it happening- the Seanchan would have to have become too powerful in randland... the tower would be wrecked, and their armies would need to have advanced so far that Rand would have little chance of rooting them out in time to make a convincing stand at TG (which I usually assume to be within 2-3 years... but possibly not given RJ's writing speed ;) )
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silverwolf: 2004-02-23
This is way off-topic, but did anyone notice that Beldeine is the Aes Sedai who was keeper in Egwene's test for the Accepted? It may not have anything to do with the real world, but...
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brigitta: 2004-02-27
I might be wrong here, but... I don't recall anybody and I mean ANYBODY looking through another persons eyes... not even the DO. sure, he has spies like rats and ravens and lower (and higher) darkfriends, but they have to report...
but the question in itself is very interesting.
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Corion Nord: 2004-03-03
One question about Halima's death by a'dam...It has been noted several times by different sources the amount of discomfort felt when a man touches the bracelet. But have we ever heard of a man wearing the necklace? Seems to me that the a'dam would not function at all on a man as the damane, however. That is exactly why they created the male a'dam, yes?
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charliec: 2004-03-04
presumably a male channeler who was collared would die screaming, as do male channelers who wear the bracelet... but no I don't think it's specifically said anywhere. I don't think they'd be left unharmed though.
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Wolfbrother: 2004-06-22
I personally like the situation of Halima being discovered by Asha'man.
The SAS have just agreed to send an embassy to the BT to propose an alliance.
Also near the end of CoT, Rand gets very upset with Logain about the bonding of the AS. He says that it will have to be rectified. Now Logain, Bashere and others are sent to gain a truce with the Seanchan, but I could see it coming to Logain then going to the SAS camp. He's has better relationship with Egwene than any other Asha'man and Rand has already said they have to clear this up and made reference to Egwene being a good bargainer.
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Callandor: 2004-06-22
**Now Logain, Bashere and others are sent to gain a truce with the Seanchan, but I could see it coming to Logain then going to the SAS camp. He's has better relationship with Egwene than any other Asha'man and Rand has already said they have to clear this up and made reference to Egwene being a good bargainer.**
Better relations? Logain doesn't like Egwene, and doesn't hold high regards of Aes Sedai for that matter, due to his treatment and the way they used him.
Beldine has the best chance of showing Halima for something else, or at least starting it. She knows what she looks like and knows she channels saidin. An Asha'man would be there to confirm, if the Aes Sedai believed them.
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Anubis: 2004-06-23
charlie.. i have hazy memories. the effect is either certain death or completely random. I recall it being mentioned that the emperress uses the collars wrong, and this can kill or do aboslutly nothing... and this is for her amusement.... but i dont remember specifics.
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Davian93: 2004-06-23
****charlie.. i have hazy memories. the effect is either certain death or completely random. I recall it being mentioned that the emperress uses the collars wrong, and this can kill or do aboslutly nothing... and this is for her amusement.... but i dont remember specifics. ****
The empress would have male members of her court try on the bracelets and either they would both die screaming or nothing would happen. All this simply depended on the male being able to channel or not.
""And sometimes," the blue-eyed sul'dam put in harshly, "you and he would both die screaming." The woman had sharp features and a tight, thin-lipped mouth, and Egwene realized that anger was apparently her permanent expression. "From time to time the Empress plays with lords by linking them to a damane. It makes the lords sweat and entertains the Court of the Nine Moons. The lord never knows until it is done whether he will live or die, and neither does the damane. " Her laugh was vicious. "
The Great Hunt, Ch. 40
That is the only reference to said event. There is no mention of what would happen if the male were to wear the collar instead of the bracelet.
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icspots: 2005-11-20
"That is the only reference to said event. There is no mention of what would happen if the male were to wear the collar instead of the bracelet. "
We also know that even a male channeler touching an Adam causes lots of pain. Rand tried to take the collar off of a damane when Aviendha and he went to Seanchan. Also Halima was hurt by it when she removed the Adam from Moghedien. Obviously this is brought to rest by KoD being out now of course but if the whole Seanchan trying to collar Halima thing happened then I imagine she/he would cause some distration with saidin and travel away. She/he knows it would be bad to touch one.
I don't know if a male channeler can be hurt by an Adam that is not attached to a damane though. I don't think this has happened yet.
