anfear was stilled
by Zaela Sedai: 2003-12-14 | 6 out of 10 (4 votes)
This is my first theory, so bear with me.
I came up with the idea that Lanfear was stilled and then healed by a woman while on the messages boards and thought I should bring it here.
I believe that Lanfear was stilled by Moiraine when she took the Angreal away from her. It would have given enough power to so. She may have been stilled by the Finns, but personally I'd like to think it was Moiraine. Anyway, when she came in front of the Finns she knew how to get out since she had been held previously. So she probably paid the price of her body, which she held close to her and the Finns gave her the new body of Cyndane which is one that they had laying around so to speak. She is constantly referred to as girl and we know how much it would bother her not to be thought of as one of the most powerful and beautiful women.
TITLE: Winter's Heart
CHAPTER: 13 - Wonderful News
The girl, Cyndane, trotted at his heels like a bosomy little silver-haired pet in red-and-black
Now this qoute shows that Moridin had something to do with her escape, he probably found her and wanted her services, and gave her the name "Last Chance"
TITLE: Path of Daggers
CHAPTER: 12 - New Alliances
"This is Cyndane, Graendal," Moghedien said. "We are ... working together." She did not smile when she named the haughty young woman, but Graendal did. A pretty name for a more than pretty girl, but what twist of fate had led some mother of this time to give her daughter a name that meant "Last Chance"?
I think that he found her stilled and in her new body after her release and knew she could be healed. Whether he knew how to heal her to full power and chose not too or not remains to be seen. I am assuming since the AoLers didn't know how to heal stilling that Osangar (Dashiva) would have had to tell him about it,after knowing that Flynn did it, he was reporting to him
TITLE: Winter's Heart
CHAPTER: 13 - Wonderful News
Crossing the striped floor, Moridin laid a hand on Osan'gar's shoulder, his smile made more ominous by the saa. The shorter man swallowed, and gave a wavering smile in return.
Back to Cyndane, Moridin did end up having her healed by someone from the Salidar camp, it wasn't Moggy because she's not good at it
TITLE: Lord of Chaos
CHAPTER: Prologue - The First Message
"Moghedien might know nothing of Healing, but she had given Nynaeve a dozen hints of what was possible,"
That leaves the BA, most likely Sheriam or Delana (Delana if you don't think Sheriam is BA). They report to Halima (Aran'gar) who if Osan'gar reports to Moridin then so does he/she. One of the BA would have been easily brought to Moridin and healed Cyndane. We know Sheriam was there when Siuan and Leane were healed, so she knows the we've and she is able to heal, herself
TITLE: Great Hunt
CHAPTER: 23 - The Testing
Nynaeve's hands quivered with a sudden pain she had not felt before. Driven through the palm of each hand, right in the center, was a long black thorn. Sheriam drew them out carefully; Nynaeve felt the cool Healing of the Aes Sedai's touch"
It could have been other BA too, but I think one of the two are most likely since they both report to Halima.
So in short Lanfear was stilled, escaped Finnland, was found by Moridin, named Cydane because this was her "last chance", healed, but not given back full power (wether on purpose we don't know) by a member of the BA, and now in service to Moridin.
Sorry if this was too much rambling, but there you go, now have at it!
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Tamyrlin: 2003-12-19
(Frenzy for Tamyrlin)
Good stuff, Zaela. I have a few questions/comments for you, that may help you build on this:
1) Moiraine probably has enough power on her own to still anyone, assuming they're not touching the Source at the time. If Moiraine was successful in removing the angreal from Lanfear, that could've caused Lanfear to drop the Source, and Moiraine could've used that moment to shield and/or still Lanfear.
2) either you're confusing your pronouns, or you're saying that Lanfear's been before the Finns before. We don't know that for certain.
3) We know that the Aelfinn held Lanfear prisoner. We don't know how she escaped, or if she escaped alive or dead, or as Lanfear or Cyndane. You're theorizing that she escaped as Cyndane. If so, Why would she need Healing from stilling from the Black Ajah? She'd be in a new body, and it was the old body (Lanfear) that was stilled.
4) You're basing a lot of this theory on a pair theory: that Sheriam is Black Ajah and working for Halima. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but if either of those theories gets discounted you may want to alter yours.
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spearmaiden: 2003-12-19
Just because Sheriam can Heal a couple of thorn holes, that doesn't mean anything. Two little holes in someone's hand take a heck of a lot less skill in Healing than the complex Healing involved in Nynaeve's feat of Healing stilling.
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Zaela Sedai: 2003-12-19
Thanks Frenzy, let me clear a couple things up
1)I shouldn't have said that Lanfear has been held before. Let me put this way instead. I think we can assume that Lanfear would know a lot about th Finns considering she was a very prominent AS in the AoL and since that is when the T'A were made she would know of the rules and deals that had to be made, she may have even been there before.
2) As for coming out in the body as Cyndane, yes, I think she did, however I do not believe that when she was givin the new body that she was healed. It was still Lanfear in the new body, Lanfear was stilled, Lanfear has to be Healed. The body she was given would not change this. Now I know that there's debate over whether it is the soul or body that has the ability to channel. I think it's the soul for one reason- If Aran'gar (Halima), who we know was male before, was given a female body, wouldn't he channel saidar? We don't know if he was stilled or anything before he died, but if Channeling was linked to the body and not the souls Halima would NOT channel saidin. Therefore I don't think it mattered what body Lanfear was given, she still had to be healed.
and finally
3) I only used the Sheriam reference as back up for showing that Moggy wasn't the one to heal Lanfear, I do believe she is BA, but for those of you who don't it could have been Delana or any other BA in the Salidar camp. How about one of the many Yellows who bombarded Nynaeve afterwards. I think many learned or saw the weave, but it wasn't Moggy, she can't or doesn't Heal people.
That's it for now
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ilgross: 2003-12-20
This raises the question:
Does stilling remove the ability to channel from the soul.
Or
Does it only ruin the bodies abiltiy to act as a conduit.
I'm leaning towards the second as otherwise every soul would eventually be stilled and there would be no left who could channel. With out Nynaeve/Damer of course.
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Great Lord of the Dark: 2003-12-20
This is more or less how I see it as well Zaela.
If you think the Finns gave Cyndane her new body, you should also wonder if the Finns are the ones who made Slayer. Since he has links to the Finns, and has also apparently had a soul shifted to another body. Of course, most believe this is a Dark One-reserved Power.
Flinn didn't do his healing until after Cyndane was shown to use the Power. Flinn can't have been involved in teaching anyone to heal Cyndane.
I disagree that Moghedien's poor healing ability disqualifies her. Being under Moridin's thumb already makes her the only one he could count on to heal Cyndane, barring Black Ajah. Her poor talent at it might be the way to ensure that Cyndane's new power level was as low as it could go, so she couldn't beat Moridin.
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Aragorn: 2003-12-22
I think this is a good theory to explain why Cyndane is less powerful than Lanfear. It has been made a big deal on a number of occasions that she is weaker. The only other situation that mentions the same thing is with Siuan and Leanne, which is also mentioned many times. So it could be theroized that Lanfear was stilled and healed....Maybe...burnt out?
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Zaela Sedai: 2003-12-23
I thought maybe she was burnt out to, but we don't know if that can be healed or not.
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rubbernilly: 2003-12-23
IMO, Lanfear is weaker because she had been artificially enhanced in the first place.
I think that when she went through the gateway, she was stilled because Moiraine was tearing away the angreal that Lanfear was using.
Caught on the other side of the gateway with the Finn, powerless, Lanfear could not fight them as they realized who/what she was, vis a vis 'of the shadow.'
Hating all things to do with the shadow they held her for a time (to satisfy what we learn from Cyndane's POV), then killed her.
Resurrection by the DO is the only thing that we have seen that accounts for someone getting a new body, so we have to expect that this was Lanfear's fate in Finnland.
Killed, she lost the artificial enhancement (granted to her, IMO and theory, by the Finn in a visit long ago before she ever fell to the shadow), and has been reincarnated with her original power-ability.
This ability would be the same power-level that she had as Mierin, which was very high on its own, but which was increased when she went through to the wish-Finn.
There is a better write-up on this on the "Lanfear was Artificially Enhanced" theory.
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kainis: 2003-12-24
Its my belief that Lanfear wasn't stilled, she was outright killed. Moiraine put the angreal there for Lanfear to grab and be occupied with her torture of Rand. Just as they were flying through the doorway, she claws the angreal away. The purpose of the angreal is to augment Moiraine's ability to channel to be greater than Lanfear's. She uses the angreal to destroy Lanfear in the realms of the goat-people. She cannot know the Dark One can reanimate any who do not overly displease him, or who die to balefire. Lanfear is brought back by the Dark One, but because she conspired with Lews Therin, he does not trust her.
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silverwolf: 2003-12-31
One of my pet peeves is that people associate Slayer with the 'Finns. That isn't necessarily true. In TSR, Perrin chased Slayer to the Tower of Ghenjei and assumed that he had gone in; that isn't necessarily the case. I think it is more likely that Slayer led Perrin there in hopes of trapping him in the world of the Finns. Other than this rather tenuous connection, there is no evidence that Slayer has ever had any contact with the Finns. Remember, when you are reading from a character's point of view, you receive all of that characters assumptions as the truth: try not to take it at face value.
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danger: 2004-07-03
Is it possible that Lanfear was weaker because of some deal she made with the finns? Perhaps her abilities with the one power where the price she had to pay in return for a new body and a new chance at life. Or for being allowed to leave Finnland by some way other than that through which she entered.
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ReDragon: 2007-09-26
Moiraine has show a favoured weapon especially when dealing with the forsaken is balefire, if she killed Lanfear i think it would have been with this.
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VerinRocks: 2007-09-30
Balthamel/Aran'gar/Halima seems to prove that the ability to channel is linked to the soul rather than the body, otherwise Halima would be channeling Saidar.
And what about Semirhage for Healing Cyndane if she had indeed been stilled? I think she's the Forsaken with the highest aptitude in Healing.
