houghts on Rand Book 11
by notsoevil1: 2004-06-23 | 1 out of 10 (2 votes)
These are somethoughts on what just might happen in Book 11.
I have a feeling that Knife of Dreams is going to be somewhat like Lord of Chaos in that Rand will need to be saved by either Mat or Perrin, but this time it will be the Seanchan. I think he'll play with them and they will either get fed up or Suroth will get an order to leash him and send him across the Aryth ocean.
I seem to favor Mat being the one to save him because he is closer and is not trying to save his wife like Perrin is. It is also a possibility that they both will save him, because they both have or (will have connections with the seanchan, as in Perrin case).
the point is that Rand will be saved and from this anger and distrust will demand fealty. Then Tuon sees the shame that her fellow people have brought to him, will swear fealty, or by some other force, thus "binding the nine moons" to him.
Feel free to criticize, I would like to see what your guys thoughts are on the matter
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Tamyrlin: 2004-09-09
(Frenzy for Tamyrlin)
Kinda hard to do actual theories on a text that hasn't been published yet, so normal Theory rules don't apply, i suppose.
i'd argue that Mat IS trying to save his wife, though it's future wife and it's more of saving his own skin.
i seriously doubt Tuon would feel shame on having leashed a marath'damane. So Rand'll have to bind the nine moons another way.
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SugarBullet: 2004-09-09
I disagree with your speculation that matt will go save rand. I think that we have to remember that these books have gone from covering several months in the lives of our favorite characters to mere weeks. So, to see the major plot lines resolved in two more books, one has to suspect that the dominoes are going to fall fast and fall in ways that converge with other dominoes. If, as people speculate, matt will indeed go to the tower of G, then he is less likely to be available to help rand. (and I do agree that that's what matt will be doing, especially since jordan says we get a "partial answer" about his 'finn-given memories in this next book.) Plus, we know from Min's viewings that perrin will need to be present to save rand twice (first time being in LoC). granted these last two books will probably be real door stoppers, but scondary and tertiary plot threads aside, theres still a lot that has to get done and fast.
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Tamin: 2004-09-09
Nah, it'll be Perrin who'll save Rand the second time. Mat will to too busy at Tar Valon fighting the Seanchan there.
If Rand is right though, that the shadow and the seanchan can't be fought at the same time, then the shadow comes out on top here.
And Taim really ought to die in book 11.
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Callandor: 2004-09-09
**Then Tuon sees the shame that her fellow people have brought to him, will swear fealty, or by some other force, thus "binding the nine moons" to him.**
That's similar to taking shame in saying Up is Down, when you've only known Up to be Down. The Seanchan believe they Dragon Reborn needs, ~needs~, to kneel to the Crystal Throne before fighting the Last Battle. Taking shame in it, is quite pointless.
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Oatman: 2004-09-10
Binding eh?.... well how about Rand forcing an oath of fealty on Tuon using the oat rod afterthe incident occurs?
The way i see it unfolding Tuon somehow ends up back in Ebou Dar whilst Rand is escaping from the fake PoMN, Rand captures her and all the guards dop there weapons so he wont hurt her (Remember body-guard chick when Mat captures her?) Then before Rand releases her he makes her swear on the Oath Rod not to harm him and to obey his call to war, and then leaves Mat in charge of her. One thingto remember when alalyzing that prophecy is that bind usually insinuates force, so a simple shaming would not justify it.
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minalth: 2004-09-10
Tuon can, and sometimes enjoys training damane, and as she belives that Rand will have to kneel to the crystal throne, she will possibly try to train him when no one else can. Because she will not accept defeat, she spends more time with him than the other sul'dam did (they would share him between them alot because of the reverse control thing) then he will start to control her, doesnt really make sense, but im saying it anyway since i typed it all out...
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hassman: 2004-09-15
I think that an occam's razor approach works better here.
Why do you require Tuon to swear fealty? That is bondage not binding. Rand has Mat's loyalty, Tuon marries Mat and "inherits' his alliances. The Nine moon's serve him. Or in fulfilling the north south east west prophecy, He gives dominion of the SE to Mat/Tuon in exchange for alliance.
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Jumai: 2004-09-15
I also remember something about Tuon being sul'dam, or at least having the potential. The obvious speculation is then that Rand will gain control of the sad bracelet link between the two of them.
It could just as easily go another way though. If Tuon is sul'dam, she must have almost reached, if not already, the affinity. If Rand proves she is marath'damane, the feces hits the fan.
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talera: 2004-09-17
Tuon must already realise she and all other sul'dam are marath'damane, or at least she knows about Renna and Seta, how they were leashed etc.
I think Perin will actually be the one to save Rand, because:
1. Min's fortelling that Perrin must be there for Rand or something terrible will happen; and
2. Perrin has the order filched from the Prophet which could allow Perrin to take control of the Seanchan in the area.
I could be totally wrong though.
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Callandor: 2004-09-19
**2. Perrin has the order filched from the Prophet which could allow Perrin to take control of the Seanchan in the area.**
There is a big gap of land territory between Mat and Perrin. And in any case, excepting that Rand does the utmost moronic thing in his entire life, he will not go to Ebou Dar to meet the "Daughter of the Nine Moons" (no people, it is not Tuon; Mat and Tuon have no purpose going back to Ebou Dar yet. Yet.), and will at least meet them on neutral ground, instead of their now well-established base of opperations.
Also, Perrin's letter is from Suroth. Tuon can easily override that with a blink of an eye.
Most likely, Perrin will use the letter to take command of the 15,000 Seanchan that Tallanvor has met with, to use against the Shaido.
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bigjellybeans: 2004-09-21
I dont think the saving is going to happen by Matt. At this point the only one of the two that can possibly help Rand is Perrin b/c his Ashaman have the travelling weave. Im not even sure if Rand even knows where Matt is.
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Dreamwolf: 2004-10-07
Didn't anyone else get the idea that Mat and Rand were already going to meet right at the end of the book? He was waiting for an audience with someone at the end of CRoT. Who and why?
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ScorpiOve: 2006-09-07
> "binding the nine moons"
Wouldn't marrying Mat somehow tie Tuon to Rand, as Mat and Rand are tied to each other?
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Seizing Saidin: 2006-09-09
I don't think so. I mean, it isn't as if Mat has sworn fealty to Rand, and even if he had, I don't see how it would carry over to Tuon unless the Seanchan arrangemnent were something like that of the Sea Folk's marriage custom, where one partner has something along the lines of a right to command the other.
If anything, I think that Tuon, at least, would see it the other way around; She is, after all, the heir to the throne, and Mat's just the husband, the Prince of Ravens.
Nothing to scoff at, to be sure, but neither is it quite the same as empress-in-waitng, you know? So far, Tuon has treated Mat as someone who needs to be brought to heel, not as someone to whom she sees a great need for deference, and as for Mat's associates, she develops her own relationships with them, independent of his. Witness, for example, Mat's mutual goodwill (relative to Joline, at least) with Teslyn and Edessina, and Tuon's dismissive collaring of them. Tuon's take on the whole Dragon Reborn thing will be that he needs to kneel to the Crystal Throne, in keepiong with the Seanchan tradition of the prophecies. I think that whatever develops between Rand and Tuon will be the result of their respective personalities and strength of character, rather than Tuon's relation to Rand's friend.
