Third Dragon?
by Lakusta: 2001-01-25 | 2 out of 10 (4 votes)
This is my first time posting a theory, so excuse me if I'm babbling. In WH, I remember reading that LTT says something like: "How many will the three of us kill/injure before we are finished?"(When he is in Far Madding). Add this to the fact that Rand sees a third face (blurry) in his head and it leads me to believe that Rand (and we) is seeing someone completely new. Who else would appear in the Dragon's head but another Dragon? Is it possible that Rand is seeing the Dragon in the next age? Think about it. The DO cannot be "killed", so someone will have to take the mantle of the Dragon in the next age. The only sense I can make of it is this: What is Robert Jordan going to do after he finishes this series? Go back to writing Conan? He could start a new series with a new Dragon in a new world in the fourth age that the prophecies at the start and end of some of the books foretell. I think that over the next few books we will see more of the third face, but "he" will not have anything to do with THIS series. Full of holes, but that's what I think.
You cannot rate theories without first logging in. Please
log in.
1
Tamyrlin: 2001-01-25
It seemed to me like Rand recognized the blurry face, so maybe Rand knows who LTT is talking about. But you could be right, like I speculated in another response, I wonder if it is part of the taint/madness.
2
juitzhead: 2003-03-30
I dont know if this has been suggested but could the third man be a combo of LTT and Rand that will come about in the possible future? Maybe that is why he is blurry but somehow looks familiar.
3
Lewin: 2003-06-18
That could be it Juitz, cause min's viewing also showed a blur face when Rand and another man (LTT) melted together. this was because it hasn't been decided wether it's Rand or LTT who will take control.
4
matthewh: 2004-02-12
here's my scoop to wrap this whole thing up. rand and ltt go to the final battle. ltt is the one who dies. this lets rand live. the other face is rand's own. the culmination of the battle "burns him out". i'm saying that his face would be different like the aes sedai after stilling. this is why the face is familiar but not his own.
5
RudeHero: 2005-05-19
***here's my scoop to wrap this whole thing up. rand and ltt go to the final battle. ltt is the one who dies. this lets rand live. the other face is rand's own. the culmination of the battle "burns him out". i'm saying that his face would be different like the aes sedai after stilling. this is why the face is familiar but not his own. ***
Isnt the change in an aes sedais face after being stilled because of the oath rod, so that couldnt really happen.
6
Merk: 2005-05-20
I believe it to be the Dragon previous to LTT.
But RJ has said he's not going to write anything else in the Randland universe after this. He has a whole 'nother series planned.
7
dedoublya: 2005-05-20
It was also mentioned in a ref to a dream of Rand's in the 8th book. Whatever it is, I don't think it can be entirally attributed to the taint. Jordan's not like that, sure, he'll have Rand go all crazy now and again, but if he's putting something like this in every so often, there's a reason. Although, what reason, we don't even have enough evidence to start speculating.
Yeah, I think if there is an explanation, it's gonna be all resolved in this series, because although I remember hearing him say he was gonna leave a few loose ends, Jordan's gonna leave the series and basically not look back.
8
SuchIsLife04: 2005-08-19
I think that ltt is going to die and Rand might get burned out but I wonder what happens to Rand after the last battle now that the world no longer needs him and he will probably will have conquered the world by then. Will he be some sort of King over everything or willl everyone just split up again?
9
Callandor: 2005-08-21
**I think that ltt is going to die and Rand might get burned out but I wonder what happens to Rand after the last battle now that the world no longer needs him and he will probably will have conquered the world by then. Will he be some sort of King over everything or willl everyone just split up again?**
More than likely -- Rand just dies in the Last Battle. There isn't a need for the Dragon Reborn after the Last Battle is won. He's done what he needs to do, and that's that.
10
Anubis: 2005-08-24
I merely believe that he will cease being Ta'veren. Which makes more sense and is a better ending and Callandors ending is laaaaame!!!
Though to be honest i hope we both end up being surprised.
11
Callandor: 2005-08-25
**I merely believe that he will cease being Ta'veren. Which makes more sense and is a better ending and Callandors ending is laaaaame!!!**
Well, you can't be ta'veren -- if you're dead.
And what's lame about it? It's not like Rand walks up "Ok, this is the Last Battle!" ~Rand gets shot with an arrow to the heart~ "Damnnnnnn" ~Rand dies~. That's lame.
In any event, what's Rand going to do if he's "no longer ta'veren"? He's still got 3 wives to take care of, children a plenty on the way it seems, the taint, and oh yeah being one of the most hated and loved men on the planet. It's not like he can hide forever, without totally destroying whatever reason there would be to continue living.
12
Dannil Lewin: 2005-08-25
Merk...RJ could write a series from the next age without it being a part of the Randland universe...well, maybe not the next age, but one after that. Since randland is supposedly a few ages after our own but on an earth that has experienced some major changes. It would be a very similar situation. I'm not saying he will do that, but it could be done without RJ lying about not doing anything else in randland.
13
JakOShadows: 2005-08-26
Dannil: He could, but a lot of the underlying philosophy would be the same and would make the series a bit repetitive.
And I don't think Rand could live through the last battle without having an astigmatism attached to him. For him not to be recognizeable he would have to burned out and severely cripple and lose his taveren traits, which is possible considering all his injuries, but it just seems highly coincidental in my mind. I always figured he would have to die because unless he could hide the rest of his life he would change events around the world which the creator would not allow.
14
Baean AimaDe: 2005-08-26
~ In any event, what's Rand going to do if he's "no longer ta'veren"? He's still got 3 wives to take care of, children a plenty on the way it seems, the taint, and oh yeah being one of the most hated and loved men on the planet. It's not like he can hide forever, without totally destroying whatever reason there would be to continue living. ~
This could be ( as has been speculated on other threads ) where Alivia Helping him die comes in, Since at the moment there's no reasonable explanation to explain that. But what better way for the most (in)famous man of the age to disappear than to "die". and I seem to recall earlier where it was said Taveren were not necessarily so forever.
Just a thought
15
William Seeker: 2005-08-26
I would have to agree with Merk. Why else would the face be so blurry except that it was a memorie LTT had got (not his own), and now Rand has it too.
16
Callandor: 2005-08-27
**This could be ( as has been speculated on other threads ) where Alivia Helping him die comes in, Since at the moment there's no reasonable explanation to explain that. But what better way for the most (in)famous man of the age to disappear than to "die". and I seem to recall earlier where it was said Taveren were not necessarily so forever.**
Alivia helping Rand "die" can be as simple as she helping Rand fake his death, yes. But that does not automatically have to be his "death" at the Last Battle. It could easily be that Alivia helps Rand fake his death for him to gain an important possession (like regaining the Black Tower completely behind Logain).
And I do not say Rand has to be ta'veren forever. Quite the opposite. I just think it's stupid for people to hold on to a main character who so obviously is going to die, and serves absolutely no purpose to continue living after the Last Battle. Just take the simple step of believing: "Rand dies in the Last Battle."
No faking it, no miraculous Healing of death, no "death of Lews Therin", no "death of the Dragon Reborn -- but not Rand."
Just accept for a moment that the prophecies are speaking 100% literally: Rand dies. And that's it. No crazy kooky theories about keeping him around -- he simply goes out in the best possible death for anyone: dying for what they believe in.
17
JakOShadows: 2005-08-27
Callandor: I like the theory you have about Alivia helping Rand die. It would work to great effect in that, and it has also been proven to work because that approach was said to be used by Tuon frequently in the past. As far as I've seen, it will work to get Suroth out of power, so it would be a good approach.
18
Dragon Tamer: 2007-12-12
Good theory but my interpretation is that the blurry face is the dragon previous to LTT, I mean, they are in the THIRD age after all. Why would it be blurry? Because Rand is seeing the face through the memories of LTT so just like the memories of the wolves it has blurred over time.
It is possible and I have heard it mentioned somewhere that LTT might have heard voices too and it's possible he heard the voice of the dragon from age 1. As to who that could be (It would have to be someone from this age) I will be trying to post a theory on that next
19
Marie Curie 7: 2008-01-02
Dragon Tamer:
"Good theory but my interpretation is that the blurry face is the dragon previous to LTT, I mean, they are in the THIRD age after all. Why would it be blurry? Because Rand is seeing the face through the memories of LTT so just like the memories of the wolves it has blurred over time."
Since the time that this theory was written (in 2001), it's been revealed in Knife of Dreams that the image Rand sees in his head is Moridin:
---------
TITLE: Knife of Dreams, CHAPTER: 18 - News for the Dragon
Abruptly another image was floating his head, a man's face, and his breath caught. For the first time, it came without any dizziness. For the first time, he could see it clearly in the moments before it vanished. A blue-eyed man with a square chin, perhaps a few years older than himself. Or rather, he saw it clearly for the first time in a long while. It was the face of the stranger who had saved his life in Shadar Logoth when he fought Sammael. Worse...
----------
