ew's previous dragon
by Therilon: 2002-11-06 | 4 out of 10 (4 votes)
I think that I have solved the problem.
The third person inside rand's head in Lews Therin Telamon's previous dragon inside his head. There is a cycle. When (if) rand dies, his soul will live on in the next dragon's head and therin's voice inside his own. Thus the cycle continues.
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Tamyrlin: 2002-11-06
So you believe that they just continue to compound? So, Rand is hearing the voice inside of Lews Therin's head? Hmm, maybe find a quote, but the cyclical idea might have something to do with it. I lean more towards, if it really was a third voice, then it was a symptom of the madness and taint. Cadsuane asks Rand if he hears voice(s).
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Gird: 2003-01-12
Since they all then are the same head and body why hasn't Rand heard the other voice more often? And is the third voice really there or just a memory of LTT which Rand got access to which LTT remembered very clearly?
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Teth: 2003-01-16
I think the other person is actually Lews Therin. And not just his soul. I think that Lews wouldnt be insane anymore since he died and so the voice wouldnt be either if it was a dead Lews Therin. But the voice is mental. i believe that through some bizaar twisting of TAR that it is Lews Therin 3 thousand years ago. and by the same twisting he is hearing Rands voice in his head. This could also mean that the third person that Lews is talking about is the one before him. Maybe Rand will hear the next dragon to come along soon. Its an idea.
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Callandor: 2003-01-16
And how would that work? There have been no examples of a voice being able to carry through to say even another world without the person being there. And there has been no twisting of TAR to our knowledge of time flowing backward. So how could Rands voice carry back 3000 years or more into LTTs head??
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vegita: 2003-01-17
This is my first entry, so please bear with me. This theory relies on two assumptions, but I think they are fairly common and for the most part could be agreed upon. At present, we know that Rand's head is occupied by two conscious entities, himself and LTT. Both are aware of themselves and aware of one another. My first assumption is that LTT “exist.” I base this on the fact that he has memories and knowledge of actual things and is aware of his existence and surroundings. The second assumption is that LTT is not a product of the taint and is not a part of the “Madness.” He is something else, unique to the current person assuming the role of The Dragon. This assumed, one could reason that Rand will still be affected by the taint and hear the “voices” mentioned by Cadsuane. Perhaps this third voice isn't another Dragon or an actual consciousness, but a direct result of the taint. Simply a voice inside his head. It stands to reason that Rand would be just as likely to hear voices as next male channeler. If this theory were true, the fact that LTT can hear the voice as well leads to some interesting ideas about the existence of LTT inside of Rand's head.
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Amara: 2003-04-11
I think that since the wheel cycles, it must be Rand, not the Rand we know, but a Rand from 6000 years ago. Rand fully seals the bore, only for it to be reopened almost 3000 years later during the time when people are seeking more knowledge. This triggers Dragon2 to come into action (LTT). Who procedes to temporarily seal the Bore, only for the seals to weaken. This weakening of the seals pulls Dragon1 back into action (Ra'T), thus the wheel fully turns.
I thought of this on a boring train journey home so forgive me if it seems garbled.
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believer2: 2003-04-11
What if LTT is not dead, but trapped in a prison of his own making inside/under Dragonmount. There was never an exact quote in the book, or an eye witness to LTT's death. By the time Elan Morin (Issy) arived on the scene, Dragonmount was already there.
Perhaps LTT used the same seals to form his prison as were used to seal the Bore. As they weaken, he becomes able to communicate more directly with Rand.
It always bothered me that there were times that Rand was unable to locate LTT, and there were times that Rand knew he was sitting there like he was watching & listening.
If LTT is not actually in Rands head, but communicating with him, this would explain a lot about the early books where Rand was able to perform the complicated weaves, and then not remember how he did it.
I'm not suggesting that LTT will step out of Dragonmount as another player, but more that somehow he left the essence of himself there to aid the next Dragon.
When Issy healed him, LTT became aware of what he had done (his wife, family & freinds), also that he had failed with the seals. After all, Issy was free, and he (Issy) was using the DO's True Power.
Along this line, my opion is that the Dragon is not the same soul each time. The 'Dragon' is a title given to the Creator's Hero born in the time of man's greatest need.
I offer these two quotes as back up for this. They are not conclusive proof, but I've wondered about them, often. From the Prologue EotW.
Elan Morin.."Yes, Betrayer of Hope. So have men named me, just as they named you Dragon. ....."
Dragon. It is not done between us ...."
It is as if Issy is addressing the Dragon, not LTT.
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Jalwin Moerad: 2003-04-11
I like the theory, except that Lews Therin speaks of the third person as a conscious entity. Also, I don't think that Rand has heard this '3rd' person's voice yet. Anyway, LTT say something like, (paraphrase) How much will we destroy, I wonder? Me, you, and the other one. That doesn't seem like the voice is a taint. And as for Rand being within Rand's head, remember, we don't know that this voice is there (yet).
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Callandor: 2003-04-12
If LTT wasnt dead, like being connected to the sky via a giant lightning bolt wasnt enough, he would be FAR dead with old age and starvation. Then how would he know that Rand even existed since he would be deep down in Dragonmount? Then the series would have no point to the Dragon being Reborn if he never in fact died.
LTT is dead for sure.
