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Tamyrlin: 2002-12-12
So you believe that they aren't concentrating on the colors enough to see what they will be able to see. I think you may be onto something that it is a connection and it could be the earliest parts of this ability starting to show up, kind of like Perrin's window that opens up that lets him see events while in T'A'R. Buy the "annoying" way it occurs seem to make the person shy away from it so much that I wonder if they would ever consider trying to "use" it. Just some thoughts; one of Jordan's wierd things that I am sure he will get around to explaining. :)
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Darren: 2003-01-10
First of all, this was an astute guess, no doubt about it. If anyone reading this HASN'T read CoT yet, then what the heck are you doing on a website like this one?
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I always thought the colours were the threads of the pattern. The weaving. I guess I still do, but the "teleconference" kind of shocked me. There was an Ogier term for the ta'veren process, but I'm too low on caffeine to go look it up. It's in GH, anyhow, but I'll cust call it "web." That process is what they're seeing. Because their "web" is interconnected (both the myrddrall referring to them as the tripod and Min's viewings show this) when they're doing pattern-significant things, the others can see it, because, logically, it's a part of the pattern.
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heronblade: 2003-06-04
maybe the colours are a backwash from ta'veren action like ripples on a pool and the other ta'veren can see then cause there 'on the surface' of the pool rather than in it
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Cha Faile: 2004-02-12
I agree with heronblade- everyone knows that ta-veren twist the pattern around them and i belive that Mat and perrin are able to see these "twists" becasue they too are ta'veren
It's the best theory so far in my opinion but i dont think that's the entire part of it.It's got to be at least slightly deeper than that right?- but it is apparently turning out to be quite useful.
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HawkeWolfe: 2004-02-12
I believe you might be correct. Here is what Mat saw in CoT chapter 3: Fan of colours.
"Whenever he thought of Rand or Perrin, colors swirled in his head. A part of being ta'veren, he supposed. This time, he had not thought of either of his friends, but the colors had suddenly been there, a fan of a thousand rainbows. This time, they had almost formed an image, a vague impression that might have been a man and a woman seated on the ground facing one another. It was gone in an instant, but he knew as surely as he knew his name. Not the Forsaken. Rand. And he could not help wondering, what had Rand been doing when the dice stopped?"
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vodomar: 2004-02-12
Perhaps the colours are supposed to tell each ta'veren where the other is.
Crossroads of Twilight; Chapter 8 Whirlpools of Colour
- The colours erupted inside Perrin's head, an eruption of hues so strong that sight and hearing vanished. All sight except for the colours themselves, at least .... An image coalesced in the middle of it, Rand and Nynaeve sitting on the ground facing one another, as clear as if they were right in front of him. -
It does seem a way of communicating. My question is this - could it mean that the pattern wants all three together again? The pattern may be wanting to push all three of them together by letting each one know what the others are doing.
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HappyFade: 2004-02-13
It may be relevant that all three get the vision at the same time.
Both Mat and Perrin's are mentioned above.
Here's Rand's POV, while he is sitting on the ground across from Nyn, just before the cleansing begins in WH.
Ch35
"He placed his hands on the ground beside him against the sickness that would strike when he took hold of the source again, but a different dizzyness suddenly spun his head. For a heartbeat, a vague face filled his eyes, blotting out Nynaeve, a man's face, almost recognizable."
I think whatever happened to Rand here, caused Mat and Perrin's immediate vision of Rand(though we don't read about them till COT)
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Rand alThor15: 2004-02-13
The colors can't be here just for the simple reason that the pattern wants them back together.When they just conquered Tear in Book 4, Mat wanted to leave but the pattern didn't let him, he couldn't even pronounce the sentence, the pattern has different ways, more powerful ways that showing images that can barely be understood...
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Anubis: 2004-02-13
heres an interesting theory. maybe these are cases where one taveren is being a.... taveren whore for lack of a better term. Rand needs all the luck and pattern twisty goodness he can get, so maybe he was borrowing matt and perrins and because they are altering the pattern they get a nifty little vision.
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brother of Battles: 2004-08-27
The question though, is why Perrin could see them as clearly as if they were right in front of him, and Mat only got a vague impression. I wonder if that has anything to do with it.
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Callandor: 2004-08-29
**The question though, is why Perrin could see them as clearly as if they were right in front of him, and Mat only got a vague impression.**
Perrin says it's because he has been supressing them.
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Jiana: 2004-08-31
Great theory. But I was of the opinion that Perrin's "vision" was much more vivid than Mat's because Perrin has spent significant time in TAR, and subconsciously isn't as averse to it. On the other hand, things like that scare the hell out of Mat, so he would be more likely to try and block them out.
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brother of Battles: 2004-09-02
"it is because Perrin has been surpressing them"
Mat has too. Whenever the colors began to form, he forced them out of his head. He even got to the point where Mat couldn't even think Rand's name or the colors would be there.
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Callandor: 2004-09-02
**Mat has too. Whenever the colors began to form, he forced them out of his head. He even got to the point where Mat couldn't even think Rand's name or the colors would be there.**
Mat hasn't been supressing them anywhere near as much as Perrin has. Mat still has them popping up when he thinks or mentions Rand or Perrin. Perrin doesn't even have that; he almost totally blocks them out.
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fistandantilus: 2004-10-26
Perhaps these colors are a form of "spidey-sense," a way for the pattern to tell its chosen heroes that one or more of the others is in trouble. This sense seems to also be a rudimentary form of communication. We have not read of any sounds associated with the colors, only images. It seems that it could be a way to summon the other ta'veren when in some trouble.
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brother of Battles: 2004-10-27
Callandor, as you often say, provide quotes to why you think Perrin has been surpressing them more then Mat. Both pushes the colors out of his head the instant they start to form. Mat even uses different words so they wont pop up.
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Dezza: 2004-10-27
I thought that they were an indication of up coming danger and the need for the three to be together getting closer.
I think that Perrin saw a clearer image as he is more accepting of his destiny than Mat (who is still avoiding parts of it)
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Callandor: 2004-10-29
**Callandor, as you often say, provide quotes to why you think Perrin has been surpressing them more then Mat. Both pushes the colors out of his head the instant they start to form. Mat even uses different words so they wont pop up.**
But they still occur to Mat when he thinks of something related to Perrin or Rand; the same thing happens to Rand when he thinks of Mat or Perrin. With Perrin, there is only a reference after his wife has been kidnapped.
Now, what do you thin takes up more of Perrin's time for the last 2 (little bit more) books? Rand and Mat or Faile?
Perrin saw the colors because it was such a big even for the Pattern, that he could no longer supress them and it all exploded at once.
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brother of Battles: 2004-11-04
I can see what you mean about Perrin having other things on his mind (such as Faile) but then again, Rand has so much on his mind you can't really use that argument.
Yes, Perrin is desperate to rescue faile and that is all he thinks about. But Rand has all the forsaken (Known to him and unknown to him) the white tower, the black tower, Cadsuane(sp?), his three lovely ladies, the Sanchan, all the dragonsworn running around, the BA, Children of the Light, uniting all the lands, and TG, while still trying to preserve something after the last battle has come and gone. It sounds to me that Rand has so much more on his plate then Perrin can ever dream of.
And someone said Perrin could see it better because he is more excepting of his roll in the Pattern then Mat is. Mat has started to become a lot more excepting of his fate in the recent books then he first was.
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Callandor: 2004-11-06
**I can see what you mean about Perrin having other things on his mind (such as Faile) but then again, Rand has so much on his mind you can't really use that argument.**
What? Rand thinks about Mat and Perrin way more then Perrin thinks of Mat or Rand. Rand wants Mat to hurry up and return to him. He hopes Perrin and Mat are alright. He wonders where they are.
Perrin has a one track mind now ----- FAILE.
Nothing else but getting her back. The only reason Perrin got that flood of colors is because it was ~such~ an important event for the Pattern.
**But Rand has all the forsaken (Known to him and unknown to him) the white tower, the black tower, Cadsuane(sp?), his three lovely ladies, the Sanchan, all the dragonsworn running around, the BA, Children of the Light, uniting all the lands, and TG, while still trying to preserve something after the last battle has come and gone. It sounds to me that Rand has so much more on his plate then Perrin can ever dream of.**
And how many of those topics touch on Mat or Perrin? Rand's main focus of thought is the Last Battle. Almost everything he tries to do is for that. He has two tools to help him with that: Mat and Perrin.
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Kantuna: 2005-05-24
However it works, it's not done by importance of the event. Both Perrin and Mat saw Rand and Nynaeve cleansing Saidin, but Rand had a vision of "A man [Mat] sitting on a wagon seat." Hardly the most important event at the time, was it?
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Callandor: 2005-05-24
**Hardly the most important event at the time, was it?**
Good question: was it important?
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Traveller: 2005-08-02
Maybe its a little like channeling: Each time a channeler uses the Power, they have aftersickness, and the 2 things keep getting closer together, until they happen at the same time.
The colours in their heads will keep ocurring more and more often til they all happen at once, and then everything is made clear (I am not entirely sure what).
Well, its an idea!
