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by The-True-Dragon: 2003-03-12 | Not yet rated

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As we all know Lan's full name is Al'Lan Mandragoran. and that the Al is a royal thing. So is it just coincidence that its Tam Al'thor and Rand AL'thor? I propose that at some point while Tam was out of the two rivers he spent an extended amount of time in the borderlands. and with his blademaster skills he probably did some incredible things up in the blight. Possiblly enough to earn the royal Al. but as he is not royalty they added it to his last name instead of his first.

Now the ever so fun poking holes in your own theory!! :D

If this did happen than when Rand was in the borderlands people would have been talking to him about his father most likely.

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Tamyrlin: 2003-03-13

As far as we know that Al in Al'Thor is not indicative of Tam having spent time there. In fact, it is quite clear that Tam spent his adventuring days in Illian up until the war, where he learned his blademaster skills and earned the right to own a heron marked sword. I think Jordan has made mention of the Al before, sorry.

Hel: 2003-03-13

The 'al' before one's first name does indicate royalty in the Borderlands (or at least in Malkier; not sure about the others.)

However, there are numerous families in the Two Rivers with the 'al' before the surname. Al'Thor, Al'Seen, etc (there were a few others.) It's seems to be fairly common in the Two Rivers.

Perhaps its a coincidence? Or maybe something else to connect Rand and Lan.

Great Captain: 2003-03-13

In that case the Egwene and her family would also have to have the same happen and nyn as well as the also have the Al' to there last names. It is merely the equivalent as with most cultures of being son of.

mandarb: 2003-03-13

"al" means "son of" in the Two Rivers: from The Great Hunt, chapter 2, pg. 18. "It was his name that caused the problem, and a similarity. Rand al'Thor. Al'Lan Mandragoran. For Lan,according to to the custom of Malkier, the royal "al" named him king, though he never used it himself. For Rand, "al" was just a part of his name, though he had heard once, long ago, before the Two Rivers was the Two Rivers, it meant "son of"

Teth: 2003-03-14

The al comes from Manetheren. If you look at some of the names of the kings and queens of Manetheren you can see that they had it aswell. Its the same with Perrins name. He has ay before his name and i think all the royalty of Manetheren thats mentioned has that in them somewhere. Since the Two Rivers folk are direct decendents of the People of Manetheren then it makes sense that they would have the same sort of names.

Great Captain: 2003-03-27

Although as an interesting side note.

The old King of Manatheren was Aemon al Caar al Thorin. I dont suppose that would make Tam the descendant of the old dynasty.

ChoedanKal: 2003-04-04

"The old King of Manatheren was Aemon al Caar al Thorin. I don't suppose that would make Tam the descendant of the old dynasty."

No, just as mentioned earlier it just means son of Caar, son of Thorin.

araqyl: 2003-05-16

It is possible that Tam is a direct descendant of Aemon - we know from our own world (eg, Scottish clans) that the 'son of' bit can be used to name a family line - all those Macs... and iirc the Fitzs (Fitzgerald, Fitzpatrick) is a similar thing in Ireland.

Hopefully there's a few celts and scots out there to clarify this, as both my Irish and Scottish blood are more than a couple of generations back.

Rhodric: 2003-06-30

Aemon al Caar al Thorin

Tam al'Thor

if Tam was descended from Aemon, he would be Tam al'Aemon, or al'Emond.

i think he is of the same line as Aemon, but is descended from Aemon's grandfather, Thorin, Tam al'Thorin.

this would make him descended from Aemon's uncle.

will have to look at all of these 'al's, al'meara, al'vere and compare them to Manetheren history.

Memnochssoul: 2003-07-08

its possible i suppose but i think something important is that while tam might be a decendant, technically rand is not, because Tam is not his biological father, tam picked him up at the kinslayer orpanage after those renegade aiel beseiged the shining walls.

(on a side note, i just thought of this and didn't want to forget it, why is one of the amrylin's titles "watcher of the seals?" because shes not doing a very good job!)

checkout operator: 2006-01-21

on the watcher of the seals, good call. why would the aes sedai give that tilte unless at some point they new were they were to watch?

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