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by Daishan: 2003-03-30 | Not yet rated
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"I cannot trust you fully, Lews Therin. Not yet." She [Lanfear] came closer, and he [Rand] considered simply seizing her. He was bigger and stronger by far - and blocked as he was, she could wrap him up with the Power like a kitten tangled in a ball of string. "Not with that, certainly," she added, grimacing at Callandor. "There are only two more powerful that a man can use. One at least, I know, still exists. No, Lews Therin. I will not trust you yet with that." "Stop calling me that," he growled. "My name is Rand. Rand al'Thor." (TITLE: Shadow Rising, CHAPTER: 9 - Decisions)
Lanfear's remarks to Rand about Callandor; “there are only two more powerful a man can use.” It is generally agreed that the male Choedan Kal is the one Lanfear mentions that "still exists", but the second (sa')angreal remains a mystery for the most part.
However, in tPoD, chapter 2 “Unweaving”, (p. 66 paperback,) Elayne finds:
“The figure of a stout, bearded man with a jolly smile, holding a book; two feet tall, it appeared to be agedarkened bronze and took both of her hands to move.”
While not on a one-to-one scale, size does appear to matter somewhat regarding the strength of angreal/sa'angreal. For instance; Callandor is much bigger than Rand's ‘fat little man', and the Choedan Kal are both much much bigger than that. This man sounds bigger than Callandor. Or maybe “more cumbersome” is better phrasing.
There have been numerous examples of angreal being statues of men or women depending on whether it's male or female. Quotes;
E.g. Moiraine's is a woman in flowing robes;
“Unconsciously he [Rand] leaned back, further away from her [Moiraine] and what she held. A few stories mentioned angreal, those relics of the Age of Legends that Aes Sedai used to perform their greatest wonders. He was startled to see her unwrap a smooth ivory figurine, age-darkened to deep brown. No longer than her hand, it was a woman in flowing robes, with long hair falling about her shoulders.” (TITLE: Eye of the World, CHAPTER: 8 - A Place of Safety)
Elayne's is a naked woman covered in hair,
“The other [angreal] was a seated woman in age-darkened ivory, her legs folded in front of her, her exposed knees bare, but with hair so long and luxuriant she could not have been more muffled in the heaviest cloak.” (TITLE: Path of Daggers CHAPTER: 4 - A Quiet Place)
The Choedan Kal female key is a woman while the male key is a man (both are 'replicas' of the actual huge statues of course), everybody knows how they look so I'll consider that an “established fact”.
Rand's "fat little man" rather speaks for itself too. Interesting other is Bayle Domon; Bayle Domon is (was?) also in possession of a male angreal looking like a man holding a sword:
“Digging into his chest, he [Bayle Domon] set out on the desk what he had bought in Maradon. A lightstick, left from the Age of Legends, or so it was said. Certainly no one knew the making of them any longer. Expensive, that, and rarer than an honest magistrate. It looked like a plain glass rod, thicker than his thumb and not quite as long as his forearm, but when held in the hand it glowed as brightly as a lantern. Lightsticks shattered like glass, too; he had nearly lost Spray in the fire caused by the first he had owned. A small, age-dark ivory carving of a man holding a sword. The fellow who sold it claimed if you held it long enough you started to feel warm. Domon never had, and neither had any of the crew he let hold it, but it was old, and that was enough for Domon.” (TITLE: Great Hunt, CHAPTER: 9 - Leavetakings)
“The fellow who sold it” was obviously a man who could be taught to channel or who had the spark, though most likely he did not know that himself.
Coincidentally all the 'ivory' angreal are also 'age-darkened' like Elayne's bronze statue, though that probably is too weak a similarity to be of importance. It does however give an indication that the statue is very old, and a male angreal has to be over 3000 years old.
But what I mean is; could Elayne's man be the (sa')angreal Lanfear is referring to? In the same chapter where she finds it Elayne thinks to herself, a little later; “...but most angreal were small enough to carry about your person; not all, but most.” The phrasing suggests a typical Jordanesque 'nonquote'; when using "most are/were" or "almost every is/was" Jordan usually means "but you'll be confronted with one that isn't soon".
Some more quotes to make it likely there's an angreal in the Ebou Dar stash:
Sammael apparantly was searching for a cache of angreal in Ebou Dar, so that is at least some indication that there COULD be male angreal between the Kin's stash;
"I [Sammael] all but have my hands on a cache of angreal and who can say what else.” (This in conversation with Graendal. TITLE: Lord of Chaos, CHAPTER: 23 - To Understand a Message)
“"No," Sammael said finally. “Your search is the most important thing, the only thing, so far as you are concerned.” ” (To Carridin (Bors) in Ebou Dar. TITLE: Crown of Swords, CHAPTER: 15 -Insects)
Moridin's remarks;
“From behind a screen of white wrought iron, Moridin watched the last of the horses vanish through the gateway, and then the tall young woman and the four Warders. It was possible they were carrying away some item he could use—an angreal attuned to men, perhaps—but the chances were small.”... “Sammael was a fool to have risked so much to seize a collection of no one knew what, then, Sammael had never been half as clever as he thought." (TITLE: Path of Daggers, CHAPTER: 2 - Unweaving)
Apart from Sammael, even Moridin thought there might be male angreal in the Ebou Dar stash. So did Moghedien by the way;
“Months of futile search had convinced her [Falion Bhoda] there was no cache of angreal, whatever Moghedien believed. She had even considered putting a Wise Woman or two to the question; one of them might know its whereabouts, if it existed.” (Moghedien did not work for Moridin yet at this point. TITLE: Lord of Chaos, CHAPTER: EPILOGUE)
So that's basically it; Sammael was looking for angreal in Ebou Dar, Elayne finds a rather large statuette of a man, angreal often look like the sex they're attuned to, and Lanfear remarks that two angreal are stronger than Callandor that a man can use. (for the sake of RSI, I'm using angreal/sa'angreal freely)
Lanfear's remarks to Rand about Callandor; “there are only two more powerful a man can use.” It is generally agreed that the male Choedan Kal is the one Lanfear mentions that "still exists", but the second (sa')angreal remains a mystery for the most part.
However, in tPoD, chapter 2 “Unweaving”, (p. 66 paperback,) Elayne finds:
“The figure of a stout, bearded man with a jolly smile, holding a book; two feet tall, it appeared to be agedarkened bronze and took both of her hands to move.”
While not on a one-to-one scale, size does appear to matter somewhat regarding the strength of angreal/sa'angreal. For instance; Callandor is much bigger than Rand's ‘fat little man', and the Choedan Kal are both much much bigger than that. This man sounds bigger than Callandor. Or maybe “more cumbersome” is better phrasing.
There have been numerous examples of angreal being statues of men or women depending on whether it's male or female. Quotes;
E.g. Moiraine's is a woman in flowing robes;
“Unconsciously he [Rand] leaned back, further away from her [Moiraine] and what she held. A few stories mentioned angreal, those relics of the Age of Legends that Aes Sedai used to perform their greatest wonders. He was startled to see her unwrap a smooth ivory figurine, age-darkened to deep brown. No longer than her hand, it was a woman in flowing robes, with long hair falling about her shoulders.” (TITLE: Eye of the World, CHAPTER: 8 - A Place of Safety)
Elayne's is a naked woman covered in hair,
“The other [angreal] was a seated woman in age-darkened ivory, her legs folded in front of her, her exposed knees bare, but with hair so long and luxuriant she could not have been more muffled in the heaviest cloak.” (TITLE: Path of Daggers CHAPTER: 4 - A Quiet Place)
The Choedan Kal female key is a woman while the male key is a man (both are 'replicas' of the actual huge statues of course), everybody knows how they look so I'll consider that an “established fact”.
Rand's "fat little man" rather speaks for itself too. Interesting other is Bayle Domon; Bayle Domon is (was?) also in possession of a male angreal looking like a man holding a sword:
“Digging into his chest, he [Bayle Domon] set out on the desk what he had bought in Maradon. A lightstick, left from the Age of Legends, or so it was said. Certainly no one knew the making of them any longer. Expensive, that, and rarer than an honest magistrate. It looked like a plain glass rod, thicker than his thumb and not quite as long as his forearm, but when held in the hand it glowed as brightly as a lantern. Lightsticks shattered like glass, too; he had nearly lost Spray in the fire caused by the first he had owned. A small, age-dark ivory carving of a man holding a sword. The fellow who sold it claimed if you held it long enough you started to feel warm. Domon never had, and neither had any of the crew he let hold it, but it was old, and that was enough for Domon.” (TITLE: Great Hunt, CHAPTER: 9 - Leavetakings)
“The fellow who sold it” was obviously a man who could be taught to channel or who had the spark, though most likely he did not know that himself.
Coincidentally all the 'ivory' angreal are also 'age-darkened' like Elayne's bronze statue, though that probably is too weak a similarity to be of importance. It does however give an indication that the statue is very old, and a male angreal has to be over 3000 years old.
But what I mean is; could Elayne's man be the (sa')angreal Lanfear is referring to? In the same chapter where she finds it Elayne thinks to herself, a little later; “...but most angreal were small enough to carry about your person; not all, but most.” The phrasing suggests a typical Jordanesque 'nonquote'; when using "most are/were" or "almost every is/was" Jordan usually means "but you'll be confronted with one that isn't soon".
Some more quotes to make it likely there's an angreal in the Ebou Dar stash:
Sammael apparantly was searching for a cache of angreal in Ebou Dar, so that is at least some indication that there COULD be male angreal between the Kin's stash;
"I [Sammael] all but have my hands on a cache of angreal and who can say what else.” (This in conversation with Graendal. TITLE: Lord of Chaos, CHAPTER: 23 - To Understand a Message)
“"No," Sammael said finally. “Your search is the most important thing, the only thing, so far as you are concerned.” ” (To Carridin (Bors) in Ebou Dar. TITLE: Crown of Swords, CHAPTER: 15 -Insects)
Moridin's remarks;
“From behind a screen of white wrought iron, Moridin watched the last of the horses vanish through the gateway, and then the tall young woman and the four Warders. It was possible they were carrying away some item he could use—an angreal attuned to men, perhaps—but the chances were small.”... “Sammael was a fool to have risked so much to seize a collection of no one knew what, then, Sammael had never been half as clever as he thought." (TITLE: Path of Daggers, CHAPTER: 2 - Unweaving)
Apart from Sammael, even Moridin thought there might be male angreal in the Ebou Dar stash. So did Moghedien by the way;
“Months of futile search had convinced her [Falion Bhoda] there was no cache of angreal, whatever Moghedien believed. She had even considered putting a Wise Woman or two to the question; one of them might know its whereabouts, if it existed.” (Moghedien did not work for Moridin yet at this point. TITLE: Lord of Chaos, CHAPTER: EPILOGUE)
So that's basically it; Sammael was looking for angreal in Ebou Dar, Elayne finds a rather large statuette of a man, angreal often look like the sex they're attuned to, and Lanfear remarks that two angreal are stronger than Callandor that a man can use. (for the sake of RSI, I'm using angreal/sa'angreal freely)
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