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Tamyrlin: 2003-05-12
Here are some quotes that might help explain a few things. "Breyan fled with her infant son Isam, and was run down by Trollocs as she rode south with him. No one knows their fate of a certainty, but it can be guessed. I can find pity only for the boy. When Cowin Fairheart's treachery was revealed and he was taken by young Jain Charin - already called Jain Farstrider - when Fairheart was brought to the Seven Towers in chains, the Great Lords called for his head on a pike. But because he had been second only to al'Akir and Lain in the hearts of the people, the King faced him in single combat and slew him. Al'Akir wept when he killed Cowin. Some say he wept for a friend who had given himself to the Shadow, and some say for Malkier." The Lord of Fal Data shook his head sadly."
So, Isam was most likely taken captive by the DO, possibly raised at Shayol Ghul. Then we are told the following, "Luc came to the Mountains of Dhoom. Isam waited in the high passes. The hunt is now begun. The Shadow's hounds now course, and kill. One did live, and one did die, but both are. The Time of Change has come."
So Luc went to the Mountain of Dhoom which doesn't put him in the region of Rhuidean. Luc seems to be the "body", most likely the one that lived, and Isam died, but maybe being at Shayol Ghul somehow Isam's soul was placed into Luc's body. While Isam has some connection to the finns, the connection between their current configuration doesn't seem tied to the Finns.
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Callandor: 2003-05-12
I have to agree with Tam on this one. Slayers abilities were granted by the DO, RJ has said in previous interviews.
So there doesnt seem to be much of a Finn connection, other then Slayer seeming to disappear into the Tower og Genjei.
And Luc was looking for Tigraine, not Isam; Luc is also Rands uncle. And Isam was a child when last seen; he is Lans cousin.
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moose: 2003-05-12
ok, thanks for clearing that up for me, maybe is time for another reread. as they say, if something seems to good to be true it usially is.
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rubbernilly: 2003-05-13
Agreed with Tam and callandor...
My only thought would be that if Isam was "waiting in the high passes," then the shadow had a good idea what the whole situation was about. So, if Isam was the one that died, that was done a-purpose, to create Slayer. I don't find it compelling to think that Luc battled Isam to the death and then was overcome anyway.
That's completely personal opinion, but... well, there it is.
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The Leveler: 2003-05-13
With what everything Tam was talking about, Luc said in the Two Rivers "I know something of taking an enemy into your breast... his knife goes in quicker".
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araqyl: 2003-05-16
There is a bit more to Slayer than has been mentioned in this thread so far - he is two bodies in one somehow. In CoT (iirc) he muses on the dual body situation, although he seems to 'favour' one for TAR and another for the 'real world'... this is pretty much required, otherwise Perrin (slow though he is) would have recognised Slayer as soon as he laid eyes on Lord Luc...
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Mairashda: 2003-05-18
when in WH elayne, nynaeve and egwene meet in TAR'S reflection of the caemlyner royal palace they are being watched by slayer who then is in luc's body (wearing borderlander clothes). so it isn't necessarily one body for TAR, one for the real world...
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silverwolf: 2003-05-18
I don't see why everyone associates Slayer with the finns. Yes, in TSR he apparently disappeared into the Tower of Ghenjei; I think that he simply went to that area and stepped out of the dream in the hope that Perrin would become trapped inside. This is the simplest explanation (given what we know of slayer and the Tower), and the simplest explanation is usually right.
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Jiana: 2003-06-29
I agree with silverwolf on that. It was yet another manipulation. I also think that maybe Luc knows where his sister disappeared to. When Nynaeve was in TAR (I don't remember when), she went to TAR's reflection of Rhuidean. She saw a man who looked "disturbingly" like Lan, lurking about the fog that encased Rhuidean. Now, if Luc/Isam did not have any ideas about what had happened to Tigraine, then what interest would he have in Rhuidean, or in the Waste at all?
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Anubis: 2003-06-29
on the slayer and the finns. he is in tar ALOT so it is reasonable that he knows his way around. not like egwene... but anyways. walk up to the tower, step into real world. sucker goes to enter tower, but that damn pesky bridgette stops him. darn.
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rubbernilly: 2003-06-30
Jiana, you speak as if Slayer's every decision were his own.
He was probably sent there to look for *angreal by one of the Forsaken. I don't remember the scene you are referring to, but if there is fog around Rhuidean, then it is before Rand brings water to the waste, so Slayer could have been reporting to Asmodean at that point.
My reasoning is, Asmodean seems to know exactly where he is going when he distracts the Aiel Council with a second man marked with the Dragons on his arms. Asmodean goes straight to the great ter'angreal statue linking to the Choeden Kal. How did he know where that was? Maybe Slayer told him.
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Machera: 2003-07-19
ok it was asmodean Nyn saw not slayer because soon after seeing the man poking in the fog she meets up with birgette who tells her to leave then she run and then she see slayer who looks like lan. Because later on when in TAR Nye thinks Moggy was just another black sister and was goin to teach her a lesson Birgette stops her and tells her that that was Moggy and that she had seen Asmodean in the waste poking around the fog
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Murrin: 2003-09-23
This is a post on Slayer that I wrote a few weeks ago on Dragonmount.com. Some points are still under debate, but I think its pretty complete (apart from the Tower of Ghenjei, which I must admit I forgot about until looking at this page):
"Luc was brother to Tigraine, and Isam was Lan's cousin. Isam was taken by a Trolloc attack as a babe, and years later when Luc came to the Mountains of Dhoom he met a fully grown Isam - one killed the other, but then the other became part of him.
Luc and Isam were granted many gifts by the shadow - one of which was the ability to enter t'a'r in the flesh at will, and doing so without the power made the him less human. This ability allows Luc/Isam to travel anywhere, making him a perfect assassin for the shadow.
Luc and Isam exist as separate identities within the one person, each able to become the other at will, changing appearance as well as mind.
Both love to kill wild animals, but Isam especially, and especially wolves. Isam kills wolves as a pastime when he is not carrying out a task - which is how he was brought to Perrin's attention, hunting wolves in Tel'aran'rhiod.
What they've been doing, however, we know less of. Isam was given the task of removing the renegade called Padan Fain, and to help in this task he brought Trollocs to the Two Rivers to divert attention while he went about his task.
Luc/Isam was responsible for the Grey Men in the White Tower, and it was he who killed the captured Black Sisters in Tear while still in their cells.
The last we saw of him he was attempting to find Rand & Min in Far Madding, but failed in this task also. I believe he is still on the lookout for Fain, while carrying out the orders of his new employer (Possibly Demandred)."
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Shartai: 2004-05-05
I think that Isam is a wolf-brother but the DO has done something to him, so instead of him being a wolbrother, he his now a...lets say...darkhound-brother, I do not believe Isam was changed out of his own free will.
And also, I don't believe that Luc is dead I think the DO transfered his soul into Isam's body. If he can use souls in empty bodies why can't he do it in bodies with a soul.
Oh, and with Luc and isam being merged wouldn't that mean there is a bloodline connection between Rand and Lan. With Isam being Lan's cousin and Luc being Rand's uncle.
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terez: 2004-12-01
Slayer was hunting wolves not for the joy of killing wild animals, but to create more Darkhounds. Elyas Machera explains to Perrin how that is done in either book 9 or 10. I'm not sure because I have borrowed out the books at the moment. The extrordinarily large packs of Darkhounds appear to be sent by Slayer.
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Llewellyn Reborn: 2004-12-31
Luc/Isam is the one who killed Rands real father after he went north to hunt shadow spawn in the blight it says in tFoH that he was killed by a man and he would not raise a spear against him because he looked like Shaeil/Tigraine
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Dragoon: 2005-10-27
I believe that Slayer is actually some sort of evil shadowspawn spirit or something, I mean Birgitte says to Perrin that his evil is ancient. I believe that he was created by the DO as an asassin. I think that since he was a spirit that he could take over a persons body that would be close to the target and kill them. I believe that the Gholam were created to serve as invincible bodies for him and that six were created first as a test but he was'nt able to "interface" with them properely. but perhaps he was able to simply order them instead. I think that he had taken over Isam and waited to ambush Luc so he perhaps take his body and try to kill Tigraine since she would be the mother of the Dragon Reborn and time is circular after all. But something went wrong and Luc or Isam gets killed and their souls and bodies are fused together . I think that when Slayer posesses you, that he brings out all the evil and darkness in your heart and sort of merges together with your soul. I think the spirit bit explains the cold inhuman smell and I also believe that he can convert his body into energy (which is basically what a soul is) and enter the World Of Dreams. Also this may have happened but wouldn't it have been cool if Slayer under Ishmael's orders posessed LTT and made him murder his family with LTT as a sort of backseat passenger in the body witnessing the slaughter of his friends and family?
