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Tamyrlin: 2001-04-08
I will mention one more thing: Jordan kept her in the story in Book 9 when he could have ditched her, so maybe there is still a story to tell about Setalle. I can't remember all of the facts about her from the first time we met her, but her being burned out, or the such is possible I guess. Since people know her name, maybe she used to be someone they made an example out of at the White Tower.
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oldmanfish: 2002-11-06
You are right. Setalle Anan is none other than Martine Janata, who was burned out while studying ter'angreal about 30 years ago. She is also the "one who is no longer (Aes Sedai)" that the girls had to find to succeed in their quest for the Bowls of the Winds.
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potatoman: 2002-11-11
It should also be noted that just before Mat met her the dice were spinning in his head and they stopped the moment he met her.
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OROBOROS: 2002-12-16
I thought Mat was the "one who is no longer," because he is dead in a way. Rand does say, "Do you mean somebody who's dead?" {LOC 436} And they do find the ter'angreal because they start talking to Mat again, and he finds the storeroom first (although that is when they meet Setalle Anan also). In addition, Mat makes an important bargain with the Sea Folk, but i don't remember exactly what that bargain entailed. It got the windfinders to move, which i think allowed them to escape the seanchan and use the bowl, which they wouldn't have been able to do if the seanchan captured them. Are the Seanchan the "wrong hands" from the dream? Probably not, the wrong hands are Falion and Ispan and the gholam, on behalf Moghedien and Sammael. And Mat keeps the Gholam from killing everyone.
I hadn't thought that Setalle Anan could've been an Aes Sedai, but it makes alot of sense, and the idea that she is the burned out ter'angreal studier is great. Can Nynaeve heal burned outness do you think? Is anything cut like with severing? I think one of the Kin mentions seeing someone familiar to Anan, and i think a name comes up. It might have been soething said by an Aes Sedai. Is the name of the terangreal studier mentioned?
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Elder Haman: 2003-01-15
Setalle Anan is Martine Janata who "disappeared" from White Tower after burning herself out. How else do you think she knew about the Kin?
Also, burned out is different than stilled. We know because the a'dam works for Leane and Suian, but not Setalle Anan... though Setalle Anan seemed to have thought it might.
Maybe one of the ter'angreal Martine was investigating is important, or maybe she can give Elyane some important information.
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Jiana: 2003-03-24
There seems to be no doubt whatsoever that Setalle Anan is a former Aes Sedai. Whether she was burned out or stilled is still not clear to my mind, but you all put forth convincing evidence that she was burned out... Something that has occurred to me, that I have been dying to get feedback on, is this: Elyas Machera used to be a Warder, but that is all he will say on the subject. Who was he Warder to? Was he released by his Aes Sedai, or was the bond broken. If the bond was broken, how did he survive? I always have this sneaking suspicion that Elyas is/was Setalle's Warder. Okay, speculate...
Jiana
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Dorindha: 2003-03-25
I agree with the general idea that Setalle Anan is a stilled/burned out Aes Sedai, but there is no evidence who she was. When she first brings Elayne and Nynaeve to the kin, someone (I think Garenia) says something like "that's Setalle Anan? Even after all these years, the Tower would..." This shows that even though Anan is her married name, she must be known by that name.
Also, she is more likely to have been burned out, rather than stilled, as Joline is in pain when she tries the a'dam. It is not like when Suian wears it, as she is aware of Moghedian, but unable to "use" the a'dam. It seems to burn Joline, as her warders start rubbing her neck, where the collar was. If Setalle was "normal" nothing should have happened, and if she had been stilled, it would have been the same as Siuan and Leane with Moghedian.
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WinespringBrother: 2003-03-25
COT spoilers (I think) I'm not sure if this was in POD or COT so ... be forewarned.
Elyas' ward is Rina, who is now a sitter in the Tower for the Green Ajah. And the bond is not broken, just 'fuzzed'. Elyas has made mention of this fact. Interesting to speculate though, is the fact that Rina is a green, and Elyas had to kill warders to avoid being gentled. Did he kill other warders of Rina's?
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Callandor: 2003-03-25
Setalle is for sure an Aes Sedai. The way she yells at Joline in WH to act up and not to be a little child is the perfect model of an Aes Sedai.
However, I think that if she was burned out with Warders they most likely were killed. Remember when Rand broke free of his shield in LoC, he killed 1 or 2 of the sisters holding the shield, and stilled the other 2 that were also holding it in place. Some of the stilled Aes Sedais Warders died instantly, and others tried to kill everybody in the battle single handedly.
So I think if Elyas was her Warder he might be dead when she was burned out.
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Zader: 2004-06-23
This has been something I could never connect. Setalle Anan recognized Garenia as Zarya Alkaese in COS Adeleas confronted Elayne about Zarya being a runaway POD. Elayne remembered something Garenia/Zarya said about facing novice white after living seventy years as a free woman. How would Setalle know her as Zarya. This theory could tie up this thread.
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Dorindha: 2004-06-24
I'm not sure what you mean by "tie up this thread" Zader, but it is probably the biggest indication she was AS, however, it is still mostly speculation as to who she is/was.
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wotfan: 2004-06-28
In [ACOS: 23, Next Door to a Weaver, 395] Setalle eyes the newly arrived Garenia who looks to be in her early twenties and sees a strong resemblance to Zarya Alkaese. Then Setalle says that when she last saw Zarya, she was younger than Garenia is now. (Setalle clearly assumes Garenia is as old as she looks; not as old as we later know Garenia to be.) Garenia places herself seventy years in the past with: '"Setalle!" Garenia exclaimed as soon as the innkeeper was gone. "That was Setalle Anan? How did she-? Light of Heaven! Even after seventy years, the Tower would-"' Garenia is upset. After all someone came awfully close to identifying her as Zarya Alkaese.
(from the FAQ) Just an idea that I had while reading this theory. Perhaps the 70 years reference by Garenia/Zarya isn't to herself and the fact that she would be punished by the Tower for running away, but perhaps in reference to something the Setalle did 70 years ago. Perhaps this could tie into what Verin'd big mistake 70 years ago? I seem to remember a few other references to things happening 70 years ago, but I cant remember right now. I'll have to go check the books again, but just an idea.
