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by Daishan: 2002-12-15 | Not yet rated

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Herid Fel, Shadar Logoth, Sammael

I was just re-reading the “Liah and Shadar Logoth” part from the theory archive, and something occurred to me. First of all, let me say I am a strong supporter of the theory that Sammael set up the whole thing with Liah. If he did this, he had to know two things at the very least:

1. Rand doesn't want to hurt women

2. Liah disappeared in Shadar Logoth

As to number 1., Lanfear tells him this somewhere in the beginning of FoH (I think the prologue).

Number 2 is much more debatable of course. First of all, he could have had a hand in her disappearance herself. What I think happened is that Liah went into one of the buildings and died that very first day, but it doesn't really matter for my point if she died then or weeks later. The only thing that matters is that she wasn't alive at Rand's battle with Sammael. Now how would Sammael know about Liah disappearing? This is only possible if one of the other Aiel, or someone who is at least very close, reported to Sammael. This is where my “Daishan's Great Herid Fel Obsession” comes into play once more (from now on DGHFO) :- )

In the archives about Fel there was something posted by (who else) “Lews Therin Telamon” about an Aiel called Jalani being a Darkfriend. Point being: if Jalani is the Darkfriend Aiel who told Sammael about Fel, maybe he/she ( <= have to look that one up) is the same one who told Sammael about Liah and he/she might also be the “Darkfriend close to Rand”. Not entirely sure about everything of course, mainly because I don't have all the references at hand, but maybe worth looking into....
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Tamyrlin: 2002-12-15

Obviously, Sammael could have many informants, I would assume most of the Forsaken do have informants tracking the main players. But the whole Sammael and Liah thing is suggesting a huge elaborate strategy involving a "supposed" weakness for women. But how exactly was Sammael using Liah? I always thought Sammael deserved a better death, but I guess having Rand kill him was just getting to redundant.

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Daishan: 2003-01-19

Well, I recently re-read the "Rand in Shadar Logoth with the Maidens"-passage, and Jalani (a Maiden), is there as well. In fact, she's the one that says "She [Liah] was right behind me." This makes it plausible, or at least possible, that Jalani is one of Sammael's main informants. We have the Melindhra situation with Mat that explicitly shows Maidens can be Darkfriends, and then Jalani is placed at two "crime-scenes" involving Sammael. I've tried to convince everybody about the Sammael/Gholam/Herid Fel thing in the "Rand and the LB section" so I won't go into all that again, but in my opinion these two occurrences seem to strenghten each others plausibility.

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Darren: 2003-01-19

I need more proof than that. I LIKE Jalani. I think we see no proof that there is a conspiracy behind Liah's disappearance... Nor why Liah is significant enough for Tel Janin to spare the time to "do her in," on the off-chance that Rand would decide to go to SL.

As to Fel, it had to be someone who heard what Fel was working on and postulating. Was Jalani there when he espoused his theories about "clearing away the rubble?" (Destroying the Seals all at once, in my opinion) It seems more likely to suspect one of the Academics.

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Daishan: 2003-01-20

Funny that you should say that, about the academics, because I sort of agree. I came up with Idrien Tarsin myself. But then someone mentioned Jalani and since there's the SL thing... I thought it a good option. By the way, Sammael doesn't have to know in advance of Rand coming to SL with the Maidens. I'm not saying he killed Liah. I'm saying Jalani reported to him that Liah disappeared and that Rand was very distrought about that. Sammael at that time was already counter-scheming against Rand and had probably already thought of SL as an "escape-route". He then just decided to try Liah as a decoy.

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sarutobi: 2005-05-10

Ya i do find this a theory that could be possible but it failed anyway. Sammael may have tried to set it up but he died anyway. Unless jordan lied to us.