oiraine Killed Asmodean
by Dragons Shadow: 2003-02-01 | Not yet rated
I know that everyone is tired of the conjecture about Asmodean's Killer, but I believe that this is a truly unique theory
MOIRAINE KILLED ASMODEAN !!!!
This may be conjecture but, think about it.
1. Moiraine had knowledge of future events from the Rings in the Waste. She may have had knowledge that Asmodean was about to meet up with Taim -- A KNOWN DARKFRIEND who could TRAVEL. With Taim to open the gateway, Asmodean could have returned to S.G. to reforge his ties to the D.O. -- WITH INTIMATE KNOWLEDGE OF RAND. She may have planned to kill him if possible.
2. Asmodean would easily recognize Moiraine from the journey through the waste. Also, he would be EXTREMELY supprised to find a woman he believes is DEAD. Thus the "YOU, NO!" -- more in surprise and amazement than in fear (remember he KNOWS that only the D.O. can raise the dead.)
3. This would also fulfill Min's viewing regardless of whether Moiraine ever escapes or is rescued from the Finns. That assassination may have saved Rand from betrayal by someone he had come to trust slightly . . . WHICH WAS AGAINST MOIRAINE'S ADVICE TO WATCH HIM CLOSELY!!!!
4. If a Forsaken HAD been sent after him wouldn't he have ended up in a mindtrap rather than dead? Look at Cyndane (Lanfear) and Moghedien. Lanfear had even plotted to HELP RAND DESTROY THE D.O. (of course she would be in control of Rand before that happened). Wouldn't the D.O. KNOW this about her? She also betrayed the D.O. So, why isn't she dead too? Moghedien TAUGHT the Aes Sedai many things which were against the will of the D.O. Why should the D.O. punish Asmodean more than those two? They did things that were just as bad (if not worse).
5. Lastly, Moiraine could have very well had the ability to carry this out with the wishes she could purchase from the Finns. Knowledge of Traveling? Increased Power? Who Knows?
She could also have wished to be there to stop the meeting between Asmodean and Taim.
Any questions? Any answers? Any Death Threats?
P.S. I do have to thank Sightburner for posting HIS "Asmodean's Killer" theory in the "Where's Moiraine?" category. Reading that started this whole crazy theory. :)
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Tamyrlin: 2003-02-02
We have no reason to believe Moiraine would kill Asmodean, yet, supposedly (from RJ) it should be obvious. Everything about Moiraine killing Asmodean is complete conjecture. There isn't one shred of evidence, nothing circumstantial. In fact, Moiraine knew about Asmodean, and let Rand know that she knew with the admonishment to be careful. While fun to speculate, there is no chance it was Moiraine. :)
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jason wolfbrother: 2003-02-02
In response to #4. None of the other Forsaken willfully betrayed the DO. Moggy was in an A'dam and Lanfear was still trying to bring LTT to her side. Possibly at the order of the DO. Remember he would not mind LTT serving him. But Asmodean betrayed the DO by going over to Rand of his own "free" will. As far as the DO and the other Forsaken are he is a traitor. Moggy was a POW and Lanfear was a spy. Those last two are forgivable but there is only one punishment for a traitor.
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Callandor: 2003-02-02
As far as we knew, Taim had no idea how to Travel. Rand taught that to Taim once he was brought to the Farm (Black Tower). So he couldnt take Asmodean to SG.
And the DO might punish Asmodean because he was probably told by the remaining Forsaken taht he had TOTALLY gone over the Rand, and the fact that the Black Cords were cut from him, if the DO could sense that the cords were cut he would most likely conclued that something Asmodean did might have caused it.
So that might cause the DO to not want Rand to have TOO great an advantage. So, he offed Asmodean with a Forsaken.
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Elder Haman: 2003-02-03
I think it had to be one of two people:
Lanfear, still angry at Rand and wanting to eliminate any support he might have.
Graendal, who ran into Amsodean while in the palace when she went to visit Rahvin. Not knowing Amsodean was partially shielded, Graendal killed him in "self-defense" and has been trying to conceal it ever since because she's afriad she might have messed up one of the Dark One's plans.
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jason wolfbrother: 2003-02-03
I definitely think Graendal is the culprit but she killed Asmodean on orders from the DO. She did not have direct orders to go and kill Asmodean but more likely it was "KILL THE TRAITOR IF YOU HAPPEN TO RUN INTO HIM WHILE CARRYING OUT MY WISHES" She was in Caemlyn to visit with Rahvin and found the Palace in uproar over the battle that had just taken place. She is taking inventory, trying to see is maybe Rahvin might have had an angreal attuned to women when Asmodean stumbles into the storeroom and she quickly kills him and destroys the body with Saidar. No one the wiser.
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Tigraine: 2003-02-05
Exactly. Following Graendal's actions in following books, she seems very guilty to me. As soon as Sammael died, she was snooping through his things in Illian for angreal, ter'angreal... anything really. It is very likely that she would have done the same thing in Andor due to possible attachments existing between herself and Rahvin. She comments to herself that she never likes to leave behind trails for others to follow, so it would be reasonable that as she already has an alliance with Sammael and Demandred, she's probably playing both sides and allying herself with Rahvin as well. Just my thoughts on the matter.
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Dragons Shadow: 2003-02-06
I DID say that this was complete conjecture. It was just a crazy idea that popped fully formed into my head when reading other theories.
However, I do have to insist that the D.O. would KNOW of Asmodean's distress when Rand cut his ties. He (the D.O.) DOES still have Lanfear. She was THERE when it happened.(Or do you think she could LIE TO THE D.O.?)
Asmodean was under distress just like Mog and Lanfear. Therefore -IF- the killer was a forsaken, it was NOT at the D.O.'s command. Also, there WAS a female channeler present. Avinndha should have sensed a female channeling if it was a female forsaken (or Moiraine for that matter - Yes I am disproving my own theory.)
I submitted this simply for fun because of the total non sequitur of finding a theory titled "Asmodean's Killer" under the category "Where's Moiraine?" ;)
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jason wolfbrother: 2003-02-06
Yes the DO knows of Asmodean being separated from by Rand. That is not the betrayal. The betrayal is the fact that Asmodean did not immediately head to Shayol Ghul to reaffirm his oaths of loyalty. He instead stuck around Rand and taught him things the DO did not want him to learn. I submit that the DO is not omniscient. He does not know everything that his minions do. I don't think he was aware of the shield that Lanfear put on Asmodean. His knowledge consisted of Asmodean was separated from his ties to the DO and willingly stayed to help the DO's ancient nemesis The Dragon Reborn.
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Elder Haman: 2003-02-06
There were alot of Wise Ones in the palace, so if anyone sensed Saidar they would assume it was them. I think it's more likely that a male channeler would be detected than a female channeler.
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Dragons Shadow: 2003-02-24
Actually if you look again, this was in Caemlyn just after Rhavin was killed. Aviendha WAS THE ONLY FEMALE CHANNELER THAT WAS WITH RAND AT THE TIME!
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dementia: 2004-08-16
Just a few odds and ends
1. Why would Asmodean be surprised if his killer was Graendal? Lanfear or Moiraine he thought dead, but it seems to me that his response to Graendal would have been more like ... "Oh, cra..."
2. Is being killed a worse punishment than being in a mindtrap... possibly for eternity.
3. Why was there no body left? If he was killed there than why in the world would anyone bother to take the body? Or was he taken, then killed... I'm not sure if it says he was killed right away or not. But if he was taken it sounds more like Semi.. she would certainly have enjoyed questioning him. But again why would she have been a surprise?
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matoyak: 2004-08-16
just so all of you graendalers know RJ has stated that the servants were ONLY servants. ask callandor and he will tell you the quote i'm pretty sure. i'm leaning towords taim, but solid evidence can change me.
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Callandor: 2004-08-17
**3. Why was there no body left? If he was killed there than why in the world would anyone bother to take the body? Or was he taken, then killed... I'm not sure if it says he was killed right away or not. But if he was taken it sounds more like Semi.. she would certainly have enjoyed questioning him. But again why would she have been a surprise?**
When Asmodean's POV ends, he is dead. No one took him anywhere before he died. Whether they moved his body after his death, up in the air (main question is why, when you can just destroy it). Main weapon of choice is balefire, which simply destroys the body.
Btw, Semi is cleared of all charge since she thinks Asmodean disappeared/turned rebel to Rand as of LoC (after his death).
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fistandantilus: 2004-10-03
Although it would be really funny if Moiraine did turn out to be the culprit, the presence of a female channeler in the palace kind of discounts this theory. I don't think it would be a channeler at all, as either Rand or Avi would have sensed something. And since RJ said it was someone obvious, I don't think it could be Slayer or Moridin. Asmo wouldn't have recognized Cyndane, and Lanfear being granted anything by the 'Finns seems unlikely due to her relationship to the Shadow. Was Shadar Haran introduced prior to Asmo's death?
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Callandor: 2004-10-03
**Was Shadar Haran introduced prior to Asmo's death?**
No, he was introduced in LoC.
