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Tamyrlin: 2001-01-22
Others have mentioned this and that reference to Nynaeve is strange. Although I thought Nynaeve still held enmity for Moiraine because she drug the boys and such into this mess. So why would RJ describe their relationship so opposite of what it was like.
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the silent speaker: 2002-11-09
Um, Alivia's four hundred and whatever. Moiraine's not.
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PresKenny: 2002-11-14
Wait, if Alivia IS Moiraine, but from finnland, could she have undergone something like Lanfear's loss of power? If so, it could be like the stilling-healing thing, where whe would be free of the Three Oaths, so she could say she's 400.
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Darren: 2002-12-05
Alivia is also whoop keester powerful isn't she?
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Anubis: 2002-12-09
Alivia is the most powerful female channeler that we have seen so far, with the possible exception of the old lady Egwene discovered (but that is a different topic and one which deserves discussion as she is bound to play an important role in Nynaeve and Lans lives). Lanfear, the previous strongest, states that Alivia is stronger then she herself was before finnland AND that she must also be using an angreal.
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beslan1: 2002-12-19
And with the unpredictable nature of Finnland... maybe somehow some of Lanfear's power was transferred over to Moiraine. Such that the total power that left Finnland was the same, but distributed differently between the two of them.
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Gird: 2003-01-14
Nah, Alivia lacks some basic skills which Moirane had. For one thing she didn't know how to cut Lanfears flow or some such. Can't check it up at the moment but if my memory doesn't fail me Alivia isn't Moirane. I don't think the finns would steal basic knowledge in using the force. She might have traded it for strength though.
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aan-Allein: 2003-01-28
I think Moiraine came back as Mylen, the short damane that Tuon saves and brings back to good health. I also believe Teslyn is a darkfriend and so is the other Aes Sedai that Mat rescued from the Seanchan(not Joline). However I have no real proof of this, just a hunch.
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TheNetweaver: 2003-03-02
Alivia is just a Seanchan damane, and she WAS using an angreal. Before the battle begins, Nynaeve gives her bracelet thing to Alivia on Cadsuane's orders. The few times we get to learn about Alivia, she's constantly talking about how much she knows of killing with the power. Moiraine knew how to weave balefire (I'd like Robert Jordan to explain this someday), but she wouldn't brag about knowing numerous ways to kill people with the power. In the battle, Alivia has the angreal and all this "knowledge." Cyndane, however, knows the most valuble flows from the AoL. The very last section of Winter's Heart describes what the results of the battle were. I believe that Alivia had been healed of a broken arm and a very bad burn, and was also looking "stunned." I remember that much. She was stunned because she came up against someone wielding much less of the power, but still lost the fight. Moiraine has encountered Forsaken before, and she never just walked up to them and started blasting away.
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Callandor: 2003-03-02
I don't remember Alivia getting hurt, but if she did it was probably from Lanfear/Cyndane cutting her flows and the recoil snapping back at her. Like the above person said, Cyndane knows the valuable flows from the AOL and I highly doubt Alivia ever met someone who just snapped her flows like nothing and since she was most likely using a lot of different flows, or a lot of the same ones, there are a lot of recoils then.
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Jearom: 2003-03-03
Moiraine is not Mylen - heres a quote from one of the AS Mat rescued in Ebou Dar.
TITLE: Winter's Heart
CHAPTER: 19 - Three Women
"The others do be . . . changed." Teslyn's mouth tightened. "Guisin and Mylen-I did know her as Sheraine Caminelle, but she do answer only to Mylen, now-those two would betray us. Edesina do still be herself. I will no leave her behind, even if she do be a rebel."
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TheNetweaver: 2003-03-03
Slight misquote on my part. I've got the book now. Page 655 of Winter's Heart- "Alivia could not stop staring in wonder and flexing the arm that had been broken as well as seared to the bone." She was shocked at what the healing could do, seeing as how a damane would never bother to learn healing. The point remains, however, that she confronted Cyndane directly and lost.
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Gurjit: 2003-03-04
I think a key point is that cyndane/lanfear remembered being lanfear so it stands to reason that alivia would remember as well. However Alivia is described as knowing every which way to destroy something with the power but not much else. Moiraine, while competent at using the power in attack was also something of a fair healer as well.
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araqyl: 2003-04-30
iirc Moiraine's main gifts appeared to be in illusion and warding, with a bit of deception thrown in (eg, false trail that allowed flight into SL in EotW). She was actually a poor to average healer.
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mako0424: 2004-05-18
no, alivia is not moiraine, why would Cyndane remember being Lanfear, and Alivia remember nothing of being Moiraine, also, how could Moiraine get stronger, and Cyndane get weaked, and we also know that ALivia was a damane for about 400 years before, unless the Creator replaced her sould with Moiraines, and then proceeded to wipe moiraine's memories and give her all of alivia's before, see, its dumb, besides alivia knowing everything about killing with the power and nothing else, we also know she knows nothing about men and so forth, i think its fair to say that
Alivia is a crazy stroing channeler, thats it.
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Flinn Sedai: 2004-05-20
Maybe im the only one who noticed this, but Aliva came from the Seanchan, through Taim. Obviosly if the Seanchan think she is 400, she probably is. And Taim wouldnt have put her in, because there is little doubt he is a DF. A DF would kill Moiraine, not deliver her to Rand.
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snakes-n-foxes: 2004-05-21
There is always the possibility that Lanfear burnt out her ability to touch the true source, when she was in Finnland, and that a black ajah who has learnt to heal such healed Lanfear, but weaker than she was (like Suian and Leanne became weaker) - black ajah may be self serving, but they would certainly do it on another forsakens orders (perhaps Moridin).
As for alivia, I think she is who she is.
From what we know of Finnland you can enter it, and come out sometime in the future, but nothing to say you can come out in the past.
Also, if Thom is to rescue Morraine, then she is probably still in finnland....maybe :)
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Callandor: 2004-05-21
**Maybe im the only one who noticed this, but Aliva came from the Seanchan, through Taim.**
Through Taim? Alivia was captured in the Ebou Dar campaigns and was convinced of what the sul'dam are. I don't recall Taim event meeting her or mentioning her.
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Zader: 2004-07-01
An explanation of increase Alivia/Moi and decrease Lanfear/Cyn, Moi grabbed the angreal off Lanfear when they fell in to the Red doorway.
Alivia/Moiraine, one very pruddish about men and the other knows very little.
Alivia/Moi could be the Seanchan who is going to help Egwene.
Alivia/Moi has ended up being very close to Rand and this would have to have been one of Moi's wishes from the Finns.
The stunned look on Alivia's face could have been because she had just fought Lanfear/Cyn one on one and survived. Remember last time they met she knew she had no hope on a one to one meeting.
Lastly Lan's speech about taking the collar off if Alivia wanted it taken off. This was out of context for Lan.
In public, his role this time was subservient. Lan is usally consistant when formality requires.
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mako0424: 2004-07-05
Big negatory, Moiraine has to be saved by Thom, and i think Alivia is a key factor likewise in TG, but only to help Rand de, and coz she is a an uber-channeler who fights on the sides of good.
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silverwolf: 2005-09-29
Yes, Alivia was captured in the south. Rand sent the sul'dam and damane to Taim to deliver to the sisters with Elayne, and the Kin took over holding them prisoner. After a few days, Alivia was released, then she went with Rand and Nynaeve to Far Madding and, eventually, the cleansing. So, yes, she did come through Taim.
However, it makes little sense for her to be Moiraine. The sul'dam would have known if she was not from Seanchan, her character doesn't match up--Moiraine was mysterious and meddlesome, whereas Alivia is child-like, open, and used to obedience. Nynaeve is cowed only because she is unused to anyone being stronger in the power than she is, and Alivia is strong willed as well (also, Alise--and Egwene, now--makes Nynaeve nervous, so Moiraine and Aliviar aren't the only ones). There are similarities, but nowhere near enough to argue that they are the same person.
Just to point out: Moiraine was a better than average Healer, but nothing miraculous; she healed major injuries, such as severe, large burns, broken bones, etc., but it took a great deal of her strength. Look at TEOTW after Winternight (healing Tam and the villagers), TEOTW when she heals Lan in the blight, TGH when she heals Rand, TDR when she heals wolves, Shienarins, Perrin and Rand, TSR when she heals Rand after the fight with his reflections, TFOH during the battle for Cairhien, or any other numerous examples of her abilities with Healing as evidence for how skilled of a Healer she is, and the same examples will show that the efforts often exhaust her.
