and and the Seanchan
by Nick: 2000-11-20 | Not yet rated
In the third book after rand has just fled on his way to Tear, moiraine talks about some of the prophisies. One of these is that he shall bind the nine moons to him. As the only referance to the nine moons has been towards the seanchan then he i think that he will have them as allies. He will do this by first revealing and proving to Tuon that as a suldam she can channel, RJ's constantly refering to the fact that the power of the crystal throne is built on the strengh of captive woman who can channel and that they cannot be all leashed to be controlled without promoting other women who can channel, then he shall give her an oath rod, probably the one the shaido currently have, to enable her to bind all the damme and suldam to the crystal throne therefore maintaining the seanchan empire. He might also get tuon to swear an oath to him first to prove its effectivness.
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Tamyrlin: 2000-11-20
I don't think Tuon will swear on an oath rod but that would be an interesting way to get Tuon to switch sides, by convincing her that the "power" of the throne is a sham. Maybe she would revolt, especially once she is around Aes Sedai.
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Drekan: 2002-12-05
I think this is more to do with Mats prophesied marriage to the daughter of the nine moons. She is the current empress to be of the seanchan empire. The court of the empress has been called the court of the nine moons, and the court serves the empress. If the empress abdicates in favour of the heir, then the court will serve mats wife, who is bound to him. Mat is then bound to Rand through the tug of ta'veran to ta'veran. Thus are the nine moons bound to Rand.
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Graendalboytoy: 2003-02-10
I tend to agree with Drekan here. I also think that Tuon being able to channel will be a major factor in her realizing that damane are more than just animals. That and hanging around with Setalle Atan,who obviously channelled at sometime or another. Couple that with marrying one of the DR's best friends and I think there is reason enough for her cooperation. Even with Suroth being a darkfriend. And does anyone think that Tuon is the "Golden Eagle" that will bend her wing to help Egwene?
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araqyl: 2003-05-02
I'm tending towards Alivia being the 'Golden Eagle' - when a woman is found to be marath'damane, then made damane, she is forever stricken from the rolls of her family, no matter how high. What's the bet she was an heir of a previous Empress or Emperor, and so bears as much of Hawkwings blood as Tuon?
The fact that she can already channel so strongly supports the notion that she will be in a position to help Egwene out personally, rather than by calling in the troops...
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heronblade: 2003-06-04
i wonder what will happen to all those stricken damane if they are seen to be human. will they be written back into the rolls? if alivia was the heir of a previous empress then could she be reinstated in court. if so she could be rands link given her power and the way she could help egwene.
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Shadow Bane: 2003-06-12
I think this will have to do with Mat and Tuon's marriage. If Mat is still on Rand's side then technically He and Tuon would be on opposing sides. What if Rand asked mat to lead a force against the Seanchan, wouldn't that be fun? Guess well just have to wait and see.
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Sensir: 2003-11-16
The oath rod ideas not bad tuon can channel and mat will be king of manetheren as min saw. and the king or queen of manetheren was AS and gaidin. right? And the idea of the seanchan and rand allies is the only option other then 2000 page books. In the 3 books left RJ must get rand the other half fo the world defeat the shaido the BA and get the black tower too like him. so removing the half the world thing would leave him to go to black tower and manipulate from there neh? he could also finish the forsaken (1 or 2 in WT, 1 in BT and the rest other places)
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enigma: 2004-04-13
I think the whole Bind the nine Moons to serve him does not mean that the Seanchan empire will dismantle itself or swear fealty to Rand and his heirs etc. We know that the land will still be divided by the return after the Last Battle.
The deal will probably be one of self preservation to both sides. With millions of trollocks etc comming out of the blight both Rand and the Seanchan will probably realise that they have to fight together to stand any chance of either of them surviving. It would be more like a temporary cease fire that anything else. Parts of the Seanchan behaviour may be modified once the knowledge of hte sul'dam being able to channell comes out but I think they are hear to stay with possibly a breakaway empire in the Westlands under Tuon if the Empress does not go along with some of the changes Tuon wants to make.
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Brendan Reborn: 2004-04-13
Lets think about this.
The Seanchan must be bound to Rand. There can't be a "cease fire".
We know the suldam can channel, and that will break the seanchan empire, as some like to say. If there is indeed a "wheel" of time, then the pattern has to repeat. The seanchan can't control the channelers because it wasn't so in other ages long past. I think that the seanchan will have "colonized" into randland, unifying it, but without the hate of channelers, and we will see an "age of legends" type thing.
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Callandor: 2004-04-13
**The Seanchan must be bound to Rand. There can't be a "cease fire".**
Why not? The Seanchan still NEED Rand, as much as anyone else in Randland; they just think they have to have him bow to the Crystal Thrown before the Last Battle and control him. There very well could be a cease fire, and most likely will be, whether through Rand's truce, or through force.
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TheNetweaver: 2004-04-14
The prophecies say that he will bind the nine moons to him (I believe Moiraine mentions it in the Dragon Reborn). I suppose it's possible to have a cease fire, but it seems unlikely that they would say, "Timeout, stop the Corenne, the Last Battle is almost here," and everything turns out peachy. More likely Rand and Tuon will form a pact of some sort. It just seems to be logical with the end of the series approaching rapidly...or so we hope.
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Aelfinn: 2004-04-15
**Why not? The Seanchan still NEED Rand, as much as anyone else in Randland; they just think they have to have him bow to the Crystal Thrown before the Last Battle and control him. There very well could be a cease fire, and most likely will be, whether through Rand's truce, or through force. **
The Seanchan want to control Rand, the Aes Sedai (even Moiraine) want to control him, or at best (VERY best) guide him. Ishy/Moridin wants to control him, more than killing him. I'm not sure what you can say about the Atha'an Miere and Aiel, but they at least want to "claim" him. In the first books, all of the Dark characters wanted to Turn him (channelling or bribes), same as controlling him.
Remind anybody of a certain Forsaken's favourite game? ;-)
BTW, this is another reason Rand's going mad.
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Callandor: 2004-04-15
**The Seanchan want to control Rand, the Aes Sedai (even Moiraine) want to control him, or at best (VERY best) guide him. Ishy/Moridin wants to control him, more than killing him. I'm not sure what you can say about the Atha'an Miere and Aiel, but they at least want to "claim" him. In the first books, all of the Dark characters wanted to Turn him (channelling or bribes), same as controlling him.**
Yes, everyone wants to control Rand. Why? Because they NEED him. This is no proof at all of a total out and out war with the Seanchan, or proof of the impossibility of a standstill.
After all, the Aiel had 3000+ years of constant war in the Waste, and are they warring with each other now? (yes the Shaido are now, but that isn't what I mean). No, why? Because of Rand. Rand brings change and "chaos" but he also brings peace, as well as destruction.
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danger: 2004-06-23
I think that the Nine Moons will be bound the Rand but not necessarily the entire Seanchean Empire. Toun will marry Mat and she will realize she can channel. Somehow I think this will make her become at least somewhat subservient to Rand. However, I think there will be division in the ranks because Mat still has to fight the Seanchan
Somewhere in a fortelling (I think) It talks about the fox that makes the Ravens fly. That's Mat, who is sly like a fox, and the ravens could be all of the Seanchan or at LEAST the deathwatch guard. Making them fly could mean comanding them but rather I think it means chasing them away because that is the scene depicted on the signet ring he picks up in CoS for no apparant reason
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Davian93: 2004-06-23
**** I think that the Nine Moons will be bound the Rand but not necessarily the entire Seanchean Empire. Toun will marry Mat and she will realize she can channel. Somehow I think this will make her become at least somewhat subservient to Rand. However, I think there will be division in the ranks because Mat still has to fight the Seanchan****
One problem with this possibility. Tuon is the Daughter of the Nine Moons, not the Nine Moons herself. Therefore, for the prophecy to be fulfilled, Rand has to bind the Empress/Seanchan to him, not just Tuon. Its a small difference, but an important one.
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Anubis: 2004-06-24
matt is going to rustle up the seanchan. he is already in a position of power almost (marryin tuon) and i do not see him adopting seanchan culture. i forsee change in seanchan, and chaos :D
