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ight, Shadow, TAR

by Therilon: 2002-11-27 | Not yet rated

Previous Categories: Rand and the Last Battle

If Rand manages to seal the Dark One perfectly he must seal the creator to. In TDR, Moiraine says that the pattern is neither good nor evil, but strives for a balance between the two. If Rand Al'Thor manages to manuver the DO to where he can be perfectly sealed, the pattern will intoduce some random varient to change to matter. If the DO is sealed, the Light would have too much influence and would be unbalanced. On the other hand, Rand CANNOT fail not because he can fail, but because the pattern can not allow him to, as it would give the DO too much power. The voice that Rand hears at the end of tEotW supports this theory. Rand MUST seal the DO with no help from the Creator because the Creator cannot seal himself. As the balance issue comes up again, the DO cannot break free of his prison because he is unable too. He must rely on his proxies, just as the Creator must rely on Rand.

The Creator can accept this outcome because he is good (Galad), and can accept harm to himself to help the greater balance.

Any comments? Oh, Rand will die, by the way.
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Tamyrlin: 2002-11-27

If you look at the last Age, the light was allowed to unbalance the dark, so I would think that Rand is simply meant to seal the DO up, without needing to worry about the Balance. The Pattern strives for balance, but it doesn't have to always be equal on both sides at all times. And we really don't know what balance means...because evil in the hearts of men exists, even existed in the Age of Legends.

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pointyman: 2002-11-28

So the pattern strives for balance between good and evil. Well, if the Dark One was freed for a short time during the War of Power, and then imprisoned for the next 3000 years, this does not strike me as balance. For true balance to be achieved, the DO will have to be free for a considerable amount of time.

Of course, the balance could be considered in terms of 'good' and 'evil' present in the world at any one time. The DO is the essence of pure evil. Perhaps him being free for 10 years is enough to balance 3000 years of imprisonment, and the forces of light generally having their own way (disregarding that little scuffle known as the Trolloc Wars:). But perhaps not, and for true balance, the DO must win. After all, both sides have been shown to have their own prophecies. Why shouldn't one be as valid as the other? I highly doubt the prophecies of the Dark forecast the Dragon Reborn winning.

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Drekan: 2002-12-05

What makes you think the creator was free in the first place? The pattern strives for balance, as was intended by the creator, so it would make sense that the creator created the world with him already outside. If the creator was free, he would probably have stopped the creation of the bore in the AoL.

Also, Rand can fail, as the pattern can be influenced. The DO influenced the pattern in the AoL, but couldnt do much because the bore was so small. If the DO can influence the pattern enough (or influence it in the right ways) then the pattern will become unbalanced by too much evil from outside it(the DO is sealed outside the pattern) and tip in the direction of evil.

Also:

The balance over the 3000 years since LTT sealed the DO again hasn't been perfect, there has been the taint on saidin, wars, trollocs, etc. roaming around. So the DO had influence, even if the prison was sealed. However, the reason the pattern allowed the bore to be created could have been balance. If men had started the balance too far towards the light and removed some of the evil, the pattern would have started a negative feedback loop( returned to start conditions, i.e. balance) So the bore could have been created to balance the pattern again. Once enough evil was back in the world, the pattern allowed itself to be balanced again and allowed the bore to be sealed. However, it had found a useful place to balance itself from, so it didnt let the bore get sealed properly, just enough so that it wasnt influencing the pattern. The taint on saidin when the bore was sealed doesnt affect the pattern, because the one power is outside the pattern as well, so evil on that doesnt affect the balance.

Well thats my 2 cents.

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DragonLegion: 2003-01-16

I'd like to point out that it is stated, im not sure where, that the dark one and the creator are outside of the pattern. Therefore whatever balance the pattern is trying to create is completly seperate of the DO and the Creator and the balance is completely related to the people in the world not the Supernatural Beings. U also need to look at the fact that the pattern consists of more worlds then the one in which the heros live. in some of these other worlds, like the one that rand Loial and hurin went to in TGH the shadow has one there fore creating the balance. the final thing id like to point out is that someone, Moiraine i believe, if the DO ever got fully free he'd be able to change the pattern and "break the wheel" this would definetly take away the "balance" u pointed out along with the theory the Fel wanted rand to free the darkone in order to fully reseal him.