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Tamyrlin: 2003-04-26
This is the generally held theory...however, I still think it is possibly more the method than the power. For males and females the method seems to be different. Nynaeve figured out how the bridge needs to be built for men to get their full power, whereas for women, she applied the same bridge that worked, but it didn't give full access. I think it is possible that the bridges need to be created differently, but can still be created by both males and females for either type of channeler.
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Callandor: 2003-04-26
I agree more with the opposite sex way not the method used.
And it was Flinn that healed a stilled Aes Sedai that was stilled when Rand broke free in LoC. She was healed in POD and was said to have **never been... [stilled]**
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cow defender: 2003-04-27
the opposite sex theory would fit very well with jordan's view of the interaction between the sexes.
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melchizedek137: 2003-05-06
So the question is can Flinn heal Siuan Sanche back to her full power, or is she permanently going to be this almost-as-weak-as-Morgase Aes Sedai because of Nynaeve's healing of her? Personally, I'd like to see a full power Siuan back, one who is able to cow those sisters that have treated her so badly since her loss of full power.
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Callandor: 2003-05-07
Simple solution would be to just still her again. Then have Flinn Heal her.
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moose: 2003-05-07
melchizedek137 asks if Siuan will ever be returned to her former OP strength, my feeling would be that once someone had been healed that would be the end of the matter. a rather obvious way to circumvent this would be to sever her from the source again and then have her healed the "right" way. possibly tho, this second healing would only restore her to "full power" as she stood immediately before the 2nd severance. clear as mud? i agree would be nice to see 100% siuan back.
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mako0424: 2003-12-06
another random theory but maybe there stronger when healed by opposite sex, like it adds one power.
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Aelfinn: 2003-12-06
This debate all depends on whether you believe: that Nynaeve *imperfectly bridged* Leane's and Siuan's stilling, so that if the bridge was taken out and replaced with a better one, they'd be back to before; or, that their lowered ability to channel is a part of them now, and they can no more get back to their previous level than Morgase can become as strong as, say, Alivia (or even Cadsuane!).
I think that if one of them was stilled and Flinn (Flynn?) Healed her, then she wouldn't be back to FULL full power, but still considerably stronger than before.
Let's just say that if something breaks and is repaired badly, then it breaks again and somebody who ACTUALLY KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE DOING repairs it, it will be stronger than the bad repair job, but not as strong as it was originally.
Yeah, I too would just LOVE to see Siuan up to full power (then she could throw Gareth around, like she tried to do the first time ;) ) and getting back on a bunch of people, but I don't think it would quite work that way. Also, she's been stilled once before, which is QUITE enough for her, I'd say.
Do you HONESTLY believe she'd consent to being without the ability to channel for even a little while, with only a slim chance she'd be able to channel as before?
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Callandor: 2003-12-06
**Let's just say that if something breaks and is repaired badly, then it breaks again and somebody who ACTUALLY KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE DOING repairs it, it will be stronger than the bad repair job, but not as strong as it was originally.**
But Nynaeve DID know what she was doing. She Healed Logain back to the strength he was at before being gentled; Flinn did the same to the Aes Sedai that Rand stilled (they are back to full power). Nynaeve Healing Siuan and Leane is the only time that we know a person being Healed of stilling being returned to a lesser power. And, again, Nynaeve knows what she is doing.
So, we are left with 2 choices: the weave for Healing men is different then the one for Healing women; or that the sex of the Healer makes a difference on the amount that person is Healed.
The first option doesn't make that much sense because we have the same result from the same conditions for both Flinn and Nynaeve. The second one does make sense because Nynaeve, being a woman, Healing Logain, being a man, back to full strength and Flinn, being a man, Healing Irgain,Ronaillem, and Sashalle, all being women, back to full strength. It seems logical to follow suit that the opposite sex is required to return a person back to full channeling strength.
Join the faction! :)
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Anubis: 2003-12-07
maybe a male channeler could do a "repair job" on the temporary healing that nynaeve did.
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Aelfinn: 2003-12-18
***But Nynaeve DID know what she was doing. She Healed Logain back to the strength he was at before being gentled; Flinn did the same to the Aes Sedai that Rand stilled (they are back to full power). Nynaeve Healing Siuan and Leane is the only time that we know a person being Healed of stilling being returned to a lesser power. And, again, Nynaeve knows what she is doing. ***
What I mean is, she DID know what she was doing for Logain, but since it wasn't perfect for the Dynamic Duo (Siuan/Leane), then she DOESN'T know what she's doing [in that respect].
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Callandor: 2003-12-18
**What I mean is, she DID know what she was doing for Logain, but since it wasn't perfect for the Dynamic Duo (Siuan/Leane), then she DOESN'T know what she's doing [in that respect].**
If she didn't know what she was doing, the Healing wouldn't have worked. The point of this theory is that women channelers cannot Heal other woman channelers to full strength, and the same applies for male channelers Healing other male channelers. But woman channelers can Heal male channelers back to full strength and male channelers can Heal woman channelers to full strength.
Not knowing what your doing, would be not making the weave work, hence no Healing. But not being able to do something totally, like Healing another woman back to full strength, is not doing it incorrectly because the Healing still worked, if just not to full strength.
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Darren: 2004-03-30
"This debate all depends on whether you believe"
No, it doesn't.... It says in WH of the Asha'man who Healed the sisters Rand stilled that "it was as if they had never been stilled." No diminuition of power. That's a male healing females. The same is the case with Nynaeve healing Logain.
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Aelfinn: 2004-03-31
Flinn Heals things differently than Nynaeve. Maybe his "natural" way of healing stilling is the proper way to Heal a woman, and the first thing Nynaeve tried was the proper way to Heal a man. Either gender CAN Heal either gender perfectly (up to full strength), but it just isn't what they naturally do for a saidar channeller to [properly] Heal a woman, and a saidin channeller to [properly] Heal a man.
And when I said she didn't know what she was doing:
If you don't know what you're doing, you can still get the correct result (think of all the times you get a test question right you just guessed on!), but if you DO know what you're doing, it's more likely to be FULLY right.
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Callandor: 2004-03-31
**Flinn Heals things differently than Nynaeve...Heal a woman, and a saidin channeller to [properly] Heal a man.**
And your proof that Damer Heals differently then Nynaeve? Your proof that she did things "wrong" and Damer did them right?
If the weaves are the same, which they should be due to the same result, they we can factor out the "new and correct" method. Nynaeve did not change her weave at all from when she Healed Logain to the weaves she used to Heal Siuan and Leane.
So we have Damer's example (3 times) of a man Healing a woman completely of severing. We have Nynaeve example of Healing Logain completely of severing. And we have Nynaeve's two examples of Healing Siuan and Leane to a lesser degree of severing.
Man Healing woman = true.
Woman Healing man = true.
Woman Healing woman = half true.
Man Healing man = ?
I really don't see the jump in logic it takes to realize it takes the opposite sex of the person who needs to be Healed of stilling to be Healed fully. It also fits perfectly in to RJ's theme of duality, and the need for both sexes to work together.
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TheNetweaver: 2004-03-31
I think Aelfinn hit the nail on the head. Men channel saidin and women channel saidar (obviously), but I don't think that means their flows are inherently different. Men prefer using certain types of flows; women prefer others. Both sexes are probably capable of healing either sex back to full capacity, it's just that women prefer the flows suited towards healing men, and men prefer the flows suited towards healing women. That's why when they're experimenting around, they discover the one for the opposite sex first, and have yet to figure out the alternate way.
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JamieK: 2005-10-05
in a robert jordan interview, he said it's the opposite sex, not the method, although he has mentioned that women are more dexterous with weaving, apparently substituting for the fact they're slightly weaker.
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Callandor: 2005-10-06
Just chiming in with the actual quote. From the Jordan Blog on Dragonmount:
**For Alys Kinch, the Healing of stilling must be done by the other gender to be fully effective. A woman Healing a woman or a man Healing a man results in less than full restoration. It all ties into that theme I keep harping on. Men and women have to work together to be their most effective. And while the weave used by Flinn for Healing is not exactly that used by Nynaeve, either would use the same weave on a man or a woman.**
So, this theory is at an end. Join my faction ;)
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Gaidal: 2005-10-06
Maybe it has to do with the type of weaves used to heal the person. Nynaeve Healed Logain with Fire i think and men are generally considered to be stronder with Fire and Earth. When she used the same method on Siuan and Leane, people whose strength doesn't reside with Fire, they were weaker. I wonder what Flinn heals with.....
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Callandor: 2005-10-07
**Maybe it has to do with the type of weaves used to heal the person. Nynaeve Healed Logain with Fire i think and men are generally considered to be stronder with Fire and Earth. When she used the same method on Siuan and Leane, people whose strength doesn't reside with Fire, they were weaker. I wonder what Flinn heals with.....**
Again, Jordan says it depends on the opposite sex doing the Healing to return to full health, not weaves.
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JakOShadows: 2005-10-07
Gaidal:
If you read the quote Callandor put up there. It makes it seem like it is completely independent of the weave they use, but rather, the fact that a man uses saidin and woman uses saidar. So if a woman wanted to be completely healed of stilling, then saidin would have to be used, hence be a man.
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Dragon Tamer: 2007-12-06
if you notice RJ mentions that Nynaeve uses fire and earth for bridging the gap, the powers of a man. Maybe if she had done the same but using water and air she would have been successful in restoring them to full power.
