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aile must Die but what would this mean?
by Shadow Bane: 2003-06-26 | Not yet rated
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"If anything happened to you I'd die Faile." (Perrin)
"You will mourn a decent time, and then find yourself another wife. Someone I'd approve of I hope. You really aren/t fit to take care of yourself you know.I want your promise.", (Faile)
This sounds like some serious foreshadowing to me. With Faile in the Shaido camp with Rolan Berelain and Perrin will have some time together. Faile says somewhere that Berelain wasn't so bad and she could have liked her under different circumstances (sorry couldn't find the quote) This sounds like 'someone she would approve of' to me. I think Faile will die sometime around book 12 and Perrin will greive and Berelain will be there to help him and he'll remember his promise to Faile.
This brings up a whole new topic however- What will Bashere do? I think he will do one of four things
1)Try to kill Perrin because he let Faile get killed, but remain loyal to Rand
2)Try to kill Rand (again) and help Taim in the upcoming struggle
3) Withdraw from the entire campaign and war
4) find Tenobia and convince her to turn against the Dragon at all costs
To me 2 is the most logical, but 3 is possible too. 4 would be cool but I just dont think RJ would have it happen that way.
RECAP- Faile will die, Berelain and Perrin will get together, Bashere will unite with Taim against Rand.
Comments
Tamyrlin: 2003-07-02
I would be extremely satisfied if Faile kicked the bucket. I have envisioned something along the lines that she dies in Perrin's escape effort, after Perrin finds her with Raolin, for additional drama. I think you are right, Jordan could use those foreshadowing moments, but it is not unusual for that subject to come up with married couples. However, I don't think Bashere is a traitor, and I don't believe that Berelain will ever get together with Perrin. After Faile, Perrin will be a lone wolf.
Mairashda: 2003-07-02
mh... why does everybody hate zarine?
I can't see Bashere and Taim working together...no, that just will not happen.
what does bashere say? "good. because it (hurting faile)would be the last thing you do, boy." sounds very much in favour of your theory...at first. but there is some more bashere has to say to perrin: "a wife isn't a trooper to go running when you shout. in some says , a woman is like a dove. you hold her half as hard as you think necessary, or you might hurt her."
perrin treated her like a good saldaean wife should and would want to be treated; her captivity and the results are the consequences of her duty as a wife (well, how she sees them).but saldaeans are a weird lot, so who knows how bashere may react. now the real wildcard in that situation would be deira.
oh...now the really important thing is that with faile gone perrin is possibly only two to three deaths away from the Broken Crown... wasn't there a Viewing to that effect?
Him-who-may: 2003-07-02
I agree with this idea.
In "The dragon reborn" when Perrin agrees to go after Rand Min sees new things around him, one of which is a Falcon and a Hawk (generally accepted as Berelain and Faile) perching on his shoulder, but nothing to signify that either is more significant than the other.
This leads me to agree that Faile will die and that Perrin will get with Berelain.
As for Bashere I think that his loyalty will remain to Rand but that he will grow to hate Perrin and maybe trying to kill him.
However an idea that I also see as a possibility is that Deira (Failes mum) will share her daughters ideas as they appear to be very simular women. I think that she will calm Davram down and that they will become a surragte family for Perrin, the three becoming very close and the Bashere's, if not accepting Berelain, at least showing no open hostility to the pair.
rubbernilly: 2003-07-02
I, too, do not understand the attitude of so many people toward Faile. She loves Perrin, and he loves her, yet people second guess this with, "Berelain would make a better match."
Now, as far as the Broken Crown, if you are referring to a Saldaean title, I don't think that Perrin has much of a claim, even were those other few deaths you mention (which I am taking to be Tenobia, Bashere, and Deira) to take place. He hasn't even been to Saldaea, and he has no social standing there.
Callandor: 2003-07-02
Come on, if Faile died do you really think Perrin would go with Berelain?!
No way. Tam has it. IF!, Faile dies Perrin would be a lone wolf, regardless of the promise.
Shadow Bane: 2003-07-02
If Faile dies Perrin will get with Berelain. She is the Hawk, Perrin's gotta love her the viewing said so and I doubt Faile would be as willing to share as Rands girls are so Failes gotta kick the bucket and Perrin will gtreive and slowly begin to fall in love with Berelain (if he hasn't already started)
PS. i dont like "Zarine" because Perrin is my fav character and she always causes the poor guy greif about stupid things, hes never done anything for her to be jealous over but she still gets jealous EVERY time Perrin is around another woman.
Jiana: 2003-07-03
Perrin might WANT to be a lone wolf, but I think he would also want to honor his promise to Faile. I don't think he would end up with Berelain though.... has anyone considered that he may end up with Tenobia? She and Faile are very much alike, and that fits in with the surrogate family thing. I think there may also have been a viewing or a dream that linked Perrin and the Broken Crown, but that may just have been a foreshadow of his and Faile's nuptials.
Jiana: 2003-07-03
In addition, there was also mention of how Tenobia had yet to find a husband she thought suitable, and everyone is concerned that there might be no heir. So, perhaps another bit of foreshadowing. :)
Him-who-may: 2003-07-03
I see Mins viewing as evidence to suggest Perrin and Berelain's marriage.
The falcon and the hawk were both described as sitting on his shoulder, neither higher than the other.
I see this as showing they will have an equal impact on his life.
Shadow Bane: 2003-07-03
ALOT of people seem to think Perrin will go wolf crazy after Faile dies and Elyas will bring him back, but i think it is more probable that Perrin will go into a 'solitary mode' with the wolves after Faile dies. In T'A'R he and hopper will have a talk like...
P-Hopper my wife died, I tried but i couldn't save her
H-I grieve for your she Young Bull but you must learn to mourn and live on
P-no
H- you are a fool cub Young Bull!
P-I don't care
H- remember what i have said, Young Bull
(hopper flys away)
Perrin will realize he has to go back to the men he commands so he will and THEN he will start to fall in love with Berelain when he realizes he will keep that promise he made to Faile.
PERRIN WILL MARRY BERELAIN!!!!!!!!!!
(and Faile will kick the bucket soon-I hope-sigh)
Niahanchi: 2003-07-05
Faile isn't going to die so it is a moot point. ;-)
Berelain is going to find her man in white, not marry Perrin.
Jiana: 2003-07-07
Man in white? Was this a direct quote from Berelain or a viewing? If it was a viewing, maybe Galad is her man in white???
Mairashda: 2003-07-07
It's a Viewing.
It is commonly assumed that Galad will turn out to be that man, though there are some that think it might be Rhuarc-turned-gai'shain.
rubbernilly: 2003-07-07
shadow bane -
Shame on you! How can you think such things as Faile needs to die? Really.
Jiana -
I think it was a viewing of Min's, that Berelain, who normally has the upper hand - the controlling hand - in all of her opposite sex relationships, would find a man in white that she would fall head over heels in love with.
There are two obvious options for this:
1) Galad
2) A main character who is made gaishain
While Perrin *could* be made gaishain (and what sort of trouble would that cause now that Sevanna is not only breaking custom by taking wetlander gaishain, but now also blacksmith gaishain?), I don't think that is where the story is headed. If Perrin is made gaishain I don't think it would be for long enough that Berelain would have dealings with him. Plus, the jist of Min's viewing was that Berelain would *meet* the man in white. That is, Perrin doesn't qualify because she has known him for some time now. Just because he puts on the gaishain white, now all the sudden the dynamic of their relationship changes?
"Ooh, Perrin, I thought you were interesting before - and I always loved a good chase - but seeing you now in white... well, come over here and sit on momma's lap!"
I don't think so.
Therefore my vote is for Galad.
Anubis: 2003-07-07
min did mention the broken crown in a perrin viewing.
my understanding is this. perrin marries falie. tenobia dies (oh lets say trollocs) perrin next in line to become king of... that borderland country that falie is from. aah! saldea. yay, go builder perrin ruler of... holy shit. If this comes to pass then perrin is well on his way to ruling the north and the west... with rand in controll of the east and the south... BOO YAH! im so smart i scare myself. (i REALLY hope its north and west, east and south and not the other way around...)
Memnochssoul: 2003-07-07
Jiana, exactly my thought you beat me to it, mins veiwing about berelain is in lord of chaos (paperback) page #885 its says
"As soon as the doors closed behind Berelain, Min sniffed again. Actully, it was more of a snort this time. "I wonder she bothers to wear any clothes at all. Well, she'll be snubbed up sooner or later. I say nothing of any use to you. Just a man in white who will make her fall head over heels. Some women have no shame at all!"
I think that is definatly saying that berelain will get together with a whitecloak, probably Galad, the only other possibility i've thought of is that it is a gai'shan but i doubt someone of her rank would "fall head over heels" for a servent even if he is for only a year and a day.
juitzhead: 2003-07-07
“It is commonly assumed that Galad will turn out to be that man, though there are some that think it might be Rhuarc-turned-gai'shain.”
I don't believe that the man in white will be rhuarc. For one, their relationship is more like farther and daughter. Second, clan chiefs seldom dance the spears, hence, he will unlikely be captured.
“perrin next in line to become king of... that borderland country that falie is from. aah! Saldea”
Perrin is not next in line. Bashere is. IF Tenobia dies, then IF Bashere AND Deira die, then will Perrin get the crown.
“but i doubt someone of her rank would "fall head over heels" for a servant even if he is for only a year and a day”
why not? Elayne was falling for Rand as early as TEOTW. Why couldn't Berelain fall for someone below her station. Afterall, Perrin is not a real lord.
Anyway, I think that Berelain will find her man in white and it will be Galad. And that's all I have to say about that.
rubbernilly: 2003-07-08
Two things:
Juitzhead -
Elayne commented that it wasn't unheard of for a marriage to be made between the houses and commoners. But her situation is quite different from Berelain's. Elayne had, as of TEotW, a stable power base and country that she expected to rule someday (granted that stability is gone, but now she is head over heels in love with Rand, and there is no backing out now). Berelain, on the other hand, has had her political work cut out for her from the beginning. I think that Berelain would be less likely to look at a servant for love just because it has been ingrained in her over the years to look for the politically efficacious move. I don't think a servant, however well matched or however much in love they could become, would get the opportunity to impress her.
rubbernilly: 2003-07-08
Sorry, second thing:
Shadow Bane -
Galad did have likings for Egwene, but I think that if he saw her love for Gawyn, he would do the right thing... remember, he would do that no matter who it hurt, including himself. So it might hurt him not to pursue his feelings for Egwene, but that's what he would do, IMO.
Anubis: 2003-07-08
u nitpick me i nitpick you.
please explain how faile ( a female) is going to become king of ANYTHING?
and the husband of a queen is a... what now? yeah thats what i thought
rubbernilly: 2003-07-08
Anubis, I think you missed the ascension order:
Tenobia holds the thrown
If she dies...
Davram Bashere ascends to the throne
If *he* dies...
Faile ascends to the throne
Perrin is not next behind Tenobia.
And if Saldaea is anything like Andor, just the fact that Perrin had been married to Faile would not gain him ascendency to the throne if she were to die after holding the throne herself. He would have power while she did, but he would not hold it after she died.
What I HIGHLY doubt is that in the unlikely event that Tenobia, Bashere, and Faile all die, that Perrin - who has never stepped foot in Saldea, is not known there, and would probably need directions to find it - would be accoladed by the people and given the crown.
I can just see the guy about to put the crown on Perrin's head turning to his fellow retainers and whispering fiercely, "Wait a minute! Are you sure who this guy is? Jizzy Crizzy, he just walked in off the street didn't he?! Are you *sure* he was married to Faile? And what allegiance does that mean that we owe him, as we never saw him before today? ...What? Crown 'im? Crown 'im, you say? Aye, I can do it, I mean, I don't care, I'm bloody Welsh, but if you guys don't know this guy..."
Jiana: 2003-07-08
This theory is almost as much fun as the Gaidal Cain equals/does not equal Olver!!!
Rubbernilly, I like your point... a blacksmith gai'shain? Perrin is a blacksmith, therefore I don't think he can be made gai'shain, by Aiel custom. Granted the Shaido have thrown a lot of custom over the wall, but that is mostly Sevanna's doing, and SHE is the character I would most like to see bite the dust. Even so, I don't believe that the other Wise Ones would let her make Perrin a gai'shain, even if she wanted to. I doubt she would want to anyway, given that Perrin is not an actual lord. So... My pick is still Galad for Berelain... and it could be political. I see Galad becoming Lord Captain Commander. Come on, Eamon Valda is so evil he's sure to get it sooner or later. And yes, all Egwene would have to do is tell Galad "Gawyn loves me, and I love him," and that puts paid to that romance.
Memnochssoul: 2003-07-08
I'm rereading the series currantly and I don't think berelain will end up with rhurac, its unlikely he will be taken gai'shan by the shadio (and unless the aiel split again i don't think they're are any more aiel clans that rhurac would be dancing the spears with) and even if that unlikey event should happen, i still don't think that is what is meant for berelain, according to perrins accute since of smell berelain and rhurac think of each other in a father daughter relationship and not a "spank me daddy i've been a naughty saldean" father daughter relationship, and I like the idea of galad and becoming the leader of the whitecloaks because valda is a bad bad man.
Callandor: 2003-07-08
About the Galad and Egwene thing, yes, he likes her. Egwene was all but promised to Rand, and who are they with now? Fancies can easily change.
Rand-althor: 2003-07-08
The hawk and falcon are symbolic. Where would they be perched if not on his shoulders? You think one of them shoule be growing out of his spine? They are on his shoulders because
1) that is really the only practical place they can be
2) It shows that they see things about Perin oppositly. Berelain sees him as a prize that she can take from Faile, and Faile sees him as a husband. Also the hawk is trying to put a leash areound him. Berilain has almost completely given up trying to take Perin from Faile since she was kidnapped, which makes no sense because it SHOULD be the best time for her. I think that when he nearly froze to death the night that Faile was kindnaped Berelain saw how much he cared fer her, realized she didnt give a shit for him, and just wanted to piss off Faile, and seems to have given up. The only things she has done since then have been to not stop the rumors that stemmed from Perin staying in her tent while he got better, and wanted it to look like they were flirting while giving him the paper from Mesenna. I see absolutly nothing in that that looks like trying to put a leash on Perin, so that viewing has been fulfilled and is gone.
Rand-althor: 2003-07-08
Oh yeah, and also, the usual question, Why does everybody hate Faile? Better her than Berelain, I mean who would want a wife who spends more time going after other men than she does talking to you?
rubbernilly: 2003-07-09
Rand-althor -
Amen, to that, brother. Why do people hate Faile so much? It... it... it boggles the mind. :)
Memnoch -
"Spank me daddy, I've been a naughty Saldean."
Priceless.
jiana -
Let me clarify my position about Perrin being taken as gaishain. I think that this *will* happen. I think that Sevanna can't pass up the opportunity (read: greed) of having Perrin as gaishain. Regardless of if he is a true Lord or not, he is one of a very few who are that close to Rand (her true target).
As for the other wise ones not allowing it, I can see this two ways:
1) They have arrayed themselves against her, ostracized her as the clan chief and they the Wise Ones. So I could see them letting her do whatever she wanted to if it brought her dishonor, as right now they don't bear her much love. If taking a wetlander blacksmith gaishain dishonors Sevanna, they would wait for that dishonor to take hold before moving against her.
2) I tend to think that Perrin being taken as gaishain is what breaks the back of the Shaido. There is already a rift developing between the Wise Ones and Sevanna, as well as between the Brotherless and the rest of the Shaido. The taking of Perrin will break these rifts wide open, I think, settling the Shaido question once and for all... those still siding with Sevanna will be crushed by the rest of Perrin, Berelain, and the Queen's armies, who will have the added support now of the Brotherless and any Shaido who would join them.
I think that Perrin's ditching of the axe is a precursor to this move. Now he might just take up the hammer, realize that he *should* be able to absolutely stroll into the Shaido camp without being molested, and decide that that's the best way to free Faile.
That's when the fun starts.
So, when I wrote above that "I don't think this is the way the story will go" I was referring to Berelain falling for Perrin while (and if) he wears gaishain white.
I *do* think Perrin will be taken Gaishain, or at least that Sevanna will try.
I do *not* think that this will change his relationship with Berelain significantly enough to warrant classifying her feelings as "head over heels in love" so as to satisfy the requirements of Min's viewing.
Just wanted to clear that up.
Shadow Bane: 2003-07-09
I just don't see Galad being with Berelain, he always does what is right, and Berelain is well "spank me daddy ive been a bad saldean" *laughs* Naughty. Who have convinced me Berelain will not marry Perrin, but i still dont think she will marry Galad, that doesn't, however, mean she won't fall in love with him, the feelings just wont be mutual.
rubbernilly: 2003-07-09
But it would be a very shrewd political move for her, as well as satisfying her heart (if she does truly fall in love with Galad), wouldn't it?
We all have half an eye of expectation on Galad taking the reins of leadership to the Children of Light, and becoming married to him as Berelain would, she would have an army of reformed whitecloaks (soldiers now free of any dislike of channeling) to support her.
She could do worse, politically.
Rand-althor: 2003-07-09
the viewing never said that Berelain and the man in white would marry, only that she would fall head over heels in love with him. Therefore it doesn't matter how the man in white feels about her.
Lewin: 2003-07-10
If, mark the if, Faile will die(which i dont really think she will) Perrin blaim himself and then lose himself to the wolfside. Berelain will go after him like a hawk :) and try to save him after dragging the knowledge of wolves out of Elyas. Then when she finally finds him Perrin attack her and kill her without knowing what hes doing. Then he will take himself together and become man again.
Shadow Bane: 2003-07-13
Lewin say it isn't so? You wouldn't really want Berelain to get killed would you? About the Ber/Perrin relationship, Faile will die and Berelain will help Perrin when he is overcome with grief, they will end up together by the end of the series.
Him-who-may: 2003-07-13
I had entirely forgot the Man in white viewing. I am not so proud as to admit I'm wrong when I am.
I see the white man as Galad as both characters are infamous for their good looks and effect on the opposite sex.
Plus if any woman can get Galad to loosen up its her ;) heh heh heh.
The spanking games are never ending in that situation :)
Another thought for cojnsideration is this:
Lanfear- Wears/wore white
Galad- Wears white.
Probably nothing. But worth thinking about maybe.
Shadow Bane: 2003-07-15
Him-who-may (cool name)-
Lanfear isn't likely but that got me started thinking about forsaken and...
What if Greandal got her hands on Galad? Maybe she already has and he is one of her pretties? Maybe he is being compelled? I NEED ANSWERS!!!
Vander: 2003-10-06
i personally dont think faile will die. even if she does though, theres no way i could see perrin and berelain getting together. perrin has never had the slightest interest in her other then sayin that she was beautiful. she annoyes the heck out of him and wont leave him alone no matter what he does. faile may have made him promise to marry if she died, but i dont think she'd see berelain as an accaptable replacement.
dave: 2003-10-06
I don't see Perrin and Berelain happening. Min had a viewing that Faile was going to kill Perrin:
From Lord of Chaos, Beyond the Gate:
"I could see at a glance he's besotted with her, the poor fool. And she with him, for all the good it will do him. I don't think he would even look twice at another woman, but she doesn't believe it, not if the other woman looks first anyway. He's found his falcon, and I wouldn't be surprised if she kills him when the hawk appears." Her [Min] breath caught, and she glanced up at him again then busied herself drinking from the goblet.
She would tell him what she meant if he asked. He remembered her as saying nothing of her viewings unless they concerned him, but if that was so, she had changed for some reason. She would view anyone he asked now, and tell him everything she saw. Yet doing so made her uncomfortable.
Dum Da!!! Sounds very much like Min had a viewing. But this could make sence in a way.
Faile get's out of the Shaido camp with the help of Rolan and her other "friends" in the camp. Perrin attacks them, maybe allied with some Seanchan, but doesn't find Faile. Thinking that she is dead, he slowly warms to Berelain. They get togheter and do the dirty, and then Faile finds him again. And then maybe she kills him.
Now I realise myself that this has some flaws, but remember Min's viewings, kid! And don't do drugs.
oh, and I wouldn't mind Failed beaten to a bloody pulp with a very old newspaper. Horrible woman...
Graendal: 2003-10-07
Hmmm..Galad huh? He would make a fine Pretty wouldn't he. What I would do with him behind closed doors...oh, did I say that out loud?
Mairashda: 2003-10-07
the "I wouldn't be surprised" shows that the part about faile killing perrin out of jealousy is mins personal opinion, not a Viewing.
Zaela Sedai: 2003-10-08
Just a quick note on the ascension if Tenobia dies Faile takes the throne, Bashere would still be Marshall General. I just re-read the series and remember reading that in one of the books. But anywyas, Faile is NOT going to die, Bashere risked too much to go against Rand now, he will only convince Tenobia that he did the right thing, and I think Perrin needs Berelain, but not in the sense of being with her. Her true love will be Galad, who's probably with the Whitecloaks there about to meet up with.
Deadsy: 2003-10-09
Bashere is next, then Faile
"Tenobia would die a maiden. Which meant her uncle Davram would succeed, if she left him alive after this, or else Davram's heir."
Khaos: 2004-03-01
I personally feel that Faile is going to survive as will Perrin. I also think that both Davram and Tenobia will fall at the Last Battle leaving the couple the ruling monarchs of Saldaea.
On another note I too like many dislike Faile and i'll tell you why. It's not because of her jealously or petty deceits or her expectation that Perrin should just understand, thats most women in the world to varying degrees. I began to dislike Faile as soon as she started trying to talk Perrin into turning his back on his friends. That is one of the most disgustingly selfish personality traits that someone can possess and is just a method of control, its the worst kind of manipulation. Although she has failed to make Perrin turn his back on his friends she has strained some of those relationships. However I don't wish her dead, but a good comeuppancing is in order I think.
mako0424: 2004-06-14
i defintly think Faile will die, not only because its about time one of the main characters suffered a death, the good guys have been doing too good.
It increases drama, and in all tragedies who else would die but one half of the most loving devoted couple in the book. And i think RJ was foreshadowing with Faile's talk to Perrin of finding anoth3er wife, and i think it will be Perrin, because she is his hawk. Now how he will be in white, i dont know, maybe as gai'shain, or maybe he wears white to Faile's funeral, i dunno, but i agree it seems more probable that he would turn solo and join the wolves, but thats also why Faile wanted Perrin to find another wife, cvoz he needs to be looked after.
And another thought, maybe the Broken Crown has something to do with Mayene, everyone assumes it is Saldaea, but dont forget Berrlain is royalty too. Maybe the Broken Crown is both Mayene and Saldaea. I dunno, but thats my two cents.
p.s. i too dont like Fale as a character, and would find her death satisfying.
danger: 2004-06-17
I hope and Pray that Faile will die and I think it quite likely. However, Berelain will not get together with Perrin or min would have mentioned it. She's for Galad.
I don' think the Broken Crown is about Saldea, Bashere seemed to be acting like it was some secretive thing...The "broken" crown doesn't sound like the crown to a country that is alive and strong. It's most likely a crown to something that is no more. (Like Lan) Maybe Perrin can inherit the broken crown and become king of the borderlands, or any other kind of crazy thing. But king of Saldea...nah
I don't think so.
Theory Maniac: 2004-06-18
Alright everyone. I'm new here, so hello to everyone. I LOVE these books, like, I'm into my second time reading them. I just think they are incredible. Anyways, based on what I've seen, I have to say i DO believe Faile will die. I dont know why everyone wants her to die, cuz i love her, but i believe it will happen. And i think it will happen in the Shaido camp. Now, HOW she will die is something not many of you got into. Have you thought about the possibility of Sevanna killing her, or one of the other wise ones. Just think, Sevanna catches her with a knife, then trying to escape. (and maybe something in between). Not knowing who she is and how valuable she is, she decides to kill her publicly. Rolan tries to help her but he dies in the process, and she tells all the others (Morgase, Aravine, and our beautiful Queen of Ghealdan) not to try to save her. She dies with honor. Not even Bain and Chiad are able to save her. All i know is i believe Sevanna will most likely kill her, incurring Perrin's wrath upon her, which will ultimately be her demise.
Thats my theory, and although i wish i could say otherwise, i believe i am close to right.
Anubis: 2004-06-18
the ruler of saldea has no chilluns to my knowledge so it is poss that the broken crown is saldea and broken crown refering to no successor.
wattj69: 2004-06-19
seriously, what IS with all the Faile hate? for love to work struggle must be there...:P anyway, if Faile dies, I just don't see Perrin getting with Berelain. the viewing is being interpreted to mean that he MUST love her. this isn't necessarily so. as was said earlier, the viewing didn't show which one was more important. this could just mean that they both affect Perrin in some massive way. Faile by being his wife, Berelain maybe through something completely different than love. I mean, come on, Perrin has been built up as someone who loves Faile completely. if she dies, IF, then maybe he can get over her and fall for someone else. but who thinks the series is gonna continue timewise for long enough for that to make sense? no, Perrin's one love is Faile, regardless or what happens.
wattj69: 2004-06-20
the broken crown has been referred to many times as the actual crown of saldaea, so it's physical, not a philosophical possibility for the future. moreover, rules of succession have been mentioned which can pass the crown outside of the queen's immediate family in a succession emergency (like giving it to Bashere or something) so no successors wouldn't cause too big a problem in Saldaea.
Callandor: 2004-06-20
**seriously, what IS with all the Faile hate? ...**
First off, to all who favor the Berelain and Perrin way, it isn't going to happen folks. Berelain is practically stalking Perrin for the simple reason her being an arrogant tramp. Perrin is the only, or one of the few, that has rejected her and she is amused by that. That's all that is there. No love coming from Berelain, and if you really think Perrin loves anyone else but Faile....
Secondly, everyone should know, should being the key word here, that if Faile were to die, Perrin would be destroyed and go totally to the wolf side. She is the world to him, nothing else.
Also, with the viewing Min had, she said that Berelain would fall head over heels in love with a man in white; nothing about him returning that love. Notice, this viewing is in LoC, way after Berelain has already started her stalking of Perrin, whom hasn't worn just white in front of her. Perrin isn't the man in white for Berelain.
And also, Faile doesn't have to die at all.
Cor Shan: 2004-06-21
OK HERE:
Suppose you were a guy ok? And you had a wife. Newlywed and all. Then there is this other girl that keeps trying to get at you. You hate her. You are say, co-workers. Your wife falls into a coma. You are madly in love with your wife. Are you likely to 'have fun' with the girl you hate? NO! Even if the only reason you hate her is because she tries to get between you and your wife, you aren't going to sleep with her. End of theory.
Faile... wont die. This is from the author that has killed one guy that was slightly good. That is it. Not one good guy is dead. Oh Ingtar, but he was a d/f.
timetorollthedice: 2004-06-22
I don't see RJ having Perrin chase the Shaido for TWO BOOKS just to have Faile die. Talk about anit-climactic...
Davian93: 2004-06-23
****Suppose you were a guy ok? And you had a wife. Newlywed and all. Then there is this other girl that keeps trying to get at you. You hate her. You are say, co-workers. Your wife falls into a coma. You are madly in love with your wife. Are you likely to 'have fun' with the girl you hate? NO! Even if the only reason you hate her is because she tries to get between you and your wife, you aren't going to sleep with her. End of theory.****
You're using logic here and thats very dangerous when it comes to how shall we say, "affairs of the heart". Sometimes guys do stupid things. Sometimes guys cheat simply because they're lonely. I'm not saying I think Perrin would but just that logic really doesnt come into play in these types of situations. Faile is certainly trying to "flirt" her way out of the Aiel camp. Personally, I hope she flirts her way into a couple of spears in her back since I cant stand her character.
Ashaman Thunder Leader: 2004-07-16
I don't think so. First of all Perrin never promised to find someone else because he didn't believe her. Second I doubt Perrin would ever get over her death, he would probably kill himself in his grief and then he could't be at TD. Also Min's viewing said Berelain would "fall head over heels for a man in white" I think this means either Galad or another of the gaishain.