he Seals Reunion Tour
by Ellistann: 2003-08-21 | Not yet rated
Again, another thing that I've tried to keep track of, but am coming up short, and its probably because it ain't written down, and thats the location and history of the DO seals.
Seal #1.
History: Found under the essense of Saidin in the EOTW right next to the Horn of Valere. Still quite strong, and was given to Siuan Sanche by Moiraine in TGH.
Current Location: The White Tower Store Rooms ( or wherever she would hide it.)
Status: Broken
Seal #2.
History: Domona Bale buys it from a shopkeeper, then is captured by his future wife. She finds it, and gives it to her boss, Turak.
Current Location: Unknown, TGH ends with Rands battle in the Sky, and I don't believe anyone raided Turaks house after the battle to get it back.
Status: Whole, last seen
Seal #3.
History: Was somewhere in Seanchan. Turak brought it over the sea with the rest of his heartstone collection.
Current Location: Unknown, see seal 2.
Status: Whole, last seen
Seal #4.
History: Was kept in the Great holding of the Stoen of Tear. Moiraine found it and showed it to either Rand, or Nynaeve and Egwane and Eylane(sp?)I forget. I believe she takes it with her to the waste and then takes it back out to the tower via Kadre.
Current Location: White Tower Store Rooms
Status: Whole, last seen
Seal #5
History: Found by Nynaeve in Tanchio in the exhibits. Carried by her and Elayne to the Rebel Tower.
Current Location: Rebel Tower storage carts
Status: Broken
Seal #6
History: Moiraine finds it in the ruins of Rhuidian(sp?) She shows Rand the seals are significantly weaker by scratching it with her knife. She makes sure that it is not on the cart that explodes with her and Lanfear's "Death?" and it ends up in the White Tower.
Current Location: White Tower Storage Rooms
Status: Fragile but Whole, last seen.
Seal #7.
History: Given to Rand by Mazrim Taim, who claimed a farmer who had no sons gave it to him. Rand holds it like a fragile china plate and gives it to Bashere.
Current Location: Unknown, Hopefully Bashere put it somewhere.
Status: Whole, last seen.
Now the real question is, am I right? It's a question that Rand will need to know, if he is to "clear the rubble" and in one of the later books, said that he "knew where all but one were at" so which does he need. Obviously he didn't get the ones in TGH, those no one did. He left the house with the horn after fighting Turak, then a river boat after being healed. He didn't have time, could Moiraine have gotten them?
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Tamyrlin: 2003-09-02
If I remember correctly, didn't Verin bring the seal back to the White Tower that Turak had at Toman Head? I am guessing that all of the seals are in their weakened state, like the one that Moiraine scrapes. You say that one is located in Seanchan? Can anyone comment as to the veracity of the locations of the seals. I know that lists have been compiled before. As the clearing the rubble, if the focus points of the actual seals are the cuendillar seals, what is left over when a seal breaks? Would the seals have held, if the DO hadn't tainted Saidin?
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Callandor: 2003-09-02
Wrong. Both the seals in TGH were found broken by Moiraine. The last 3 seals are in Rand's possession and are whole, but they are stored somehere that we don't know. As said before the Dark appears to want them too :).
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Callandor: 2003-09-02
Found this at the Encyclopedia WoT:
1. Found broken at the Eye of the World. (TEotW,Ch52) Moiraine shows the pieces to Siuan. (TGH,Ch5) (BROKEN)
2. Bayle Domon had one, intact, that he got from a shopkeeper in Maradon. (TGH,Ch9) It was taken by Turak. (TGH,Ch29) Moiraine found it after the fight, and it was broken by then. (TGH,Ch49) (BROKEN)
3. Turak had one. Moiraine found it along with (2). Also broken. (TGH,Ch49) (BROKEN)
4. Moiraine found one in the Stone of Tear, intact. (TDR,Ch56) In TFoH,Ch52, when they go down to the docks, Rand spots two casks with the two seals (#4 and #5) in them packed in wool for protection. (INTACT)
5. Moiraine found another one in Rhuidean, and made a scratch. She put it back in her pouch. (TFoH,Ch2) In TFoH,Ch52, when they go down to the docks, Rand spots two casks with the two seals (#4 and #5) in them packed in wool for protection. (INTACT)
6. Nynaeve found one in the Panarch's Palace, (TSR,Ch54), broken on the way to Salidar. (TFoH,Ch50) (BROKEN)
7. Mazrim Taim gives Rand one when he comes to Rand. He found it in a "decaying little farm in Saldaea. I stopped for water, and the farmer gave it to me. He was old, with no children or grandchildren to pass it on to, and he thought I was the Dragon Reborn. He claimed his family had guarded it for more than two thousand years. Claimed they were kings and queens during the Trolloc Wars, and nobles under Artur Hawkwing." Rand (or is it Lews Therin?) tries to destroy it, but Davram Bashere stops him. (LoC,Ch2) (INTACT)
So they are all there.
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rubbernilly: 2003-09-02
Oh, you take me to the brink, and just when I think you're going to take the next step, you stop short. You're such a tease.
:)
It would seem to be obvious that the next step of this theory is to start to ponder how the seals will come together (hence the 'reunion' in 'reunion tour').
Will Rand hunt them up? Will they be brought to him? Will it take a gathering of the main characters who each have a bit of knowledge regarding the various locations?
I can see this happening after Rand is abducted and/or Moiraine is rescued. Either of these things will unite a bunch of main characters (either directly or because of their aftermath), and the stage would be set for a gathering together before the LB.
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Rhodric: 2003-09-02
bashere has the seal that taim brought, but who has the other 2? it was suggested that dobraine has at least one seal, in Glimmers, but does he have both of the intact seals that Moir left in that barrel?
and which is the one that Rand doesn't know about? is it the one from Tanchico that Nyn and Elayne found?
lotsa questions, no answers.
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juitzhead: 2003-09-02
and you can bet all your money that the DO wants them and that CoT gave plenty of foreshadowing:
"Rand leaned back in his chair, careful not to let his tiredness show. The seals on the Dark One's prison on one hand, Taim splitting the Asha'man on the other. Was the seventh seal already broken? Was the Shadow beginning the opening moves of the Last Battle? - CoT"
Rand thinks to himself that he doesnt know where the 7th (which is Callandor's No7.) He has 4, 5 and 6.
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Crazy Ashaman: 2003-09-02
Thanks for getting the facts straight for us Callandor. So there are three seals intact. Where are they? I know Dobraine has one, Bashere the second. Does anyone know where the third is?
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Weird Harold: 2003-09-03
As far as I know, Callandor's listing is correct.
The one Seal that Rand doesn't know about is the one Nyneae retrieved from the Panarch's Museum in Tanchico. Nyneave will eventually discover that Rand is looking for it and tell him of it's fate -- assuming of course that Rand lets anyone in on his plans.
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Rhodric: 2003-09-03
**The one Seal that Rand doesn't know about is the one Nyneae retrieved from the Panarch's Museum in Tanchico. **
so once again the good guys are ignorant due to lack of communication. why why why won't rand trust a little more? (rhetorical).
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jason wolfbrother: 2003-09-26
Bashere does have two of Rand's seals but they are not with him personally.
TITLE: Lord of Chaos, CHAPTER: 26 - Connecting Lines
For an instant Rand seized saidin, and released it a heartbeat later. With his vision enhanced, it had not been difficult to see the two white stones lying near the foot of the slope, right where Bashere had placed them personally last night, four paces apart. With luck, no one had seen him.
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danger: 2004-06-17
Didn't Callandor just say that the three intact seals were the two Rand had at the docks and the one Taim gave him? Rand has all three somewhere. He doesn't neeed Nyneve's because it's already broken. But then again, he doesn't know that.
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ReDragon: 2007-10-11
I don't think that Bashere and Dobraine have the seals anymore
In the Prologue of COT, Davram Bashere's wife Deira and Lord Dobraine are attacked, separately, in two apparent robbery attempts. We are not told what exactly the would-be thieves were looking for, but on discovering Dobraine, Loial blurts out, "'This is very bad! If there were more than two, Karldin, if they found - !'" [COT: Prologue, Glimmers of the Pattern, 93]. It's been speculated that Bashere and Dobraine were targeted in the belief or hope that they were guarding the seals still in Rand's possession.
I think rand has taken steps to protect them as he protect the sword Callandor with inverted wards and traps, that would tell him if anyone went near them.
