he Voices inside their heads
by Brendan Reborn: 2004-04-20 | Not yet rated
Has anyone ever wondered why rand heres voices, mat gets memories, but perrin remains un-influenced by "memories or thoughts" of some from a previous age? Well here goes my theory:
"The man's eyes were yellow,like bright, polished gold. Some MEMORY tickled at the back of Perrin;s mind, then fled" EOTW Wolfbrother pg 338
I think that perrin does have memories. Probably from a previous wolf brother. Just as mat gets his "luck abilities" and uses them according to his old memories. And Rand channels with the help of LTT. Maybe Perrin can talk to wolves because the person who gave him "memories" talked to wolves. And so on.
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Tamyrlin: 2004-07-09
(Frenzy for Tamyrlin)
I doubt it. You can have memories tickle the back of your mind and not have them be from a 'foreign' source.
The simplest explanation to why Rand and Mat get 'voices' and Perrin doesn't is that Perrin DOES get voices: the voices of every wolf in the general vicinity.
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Davian93: 2004-07-09
****The simplest explanation to why Rand and Mat get 'voices' and Perrin doesn't is that Perrin DOES get voices: the voices of every wolf in the general vicinity. ****
I have to agree with Frenzy. There is nothing to support Perrin being a reborn wolfbrother. Rand is a unique situation in that he is the only soul to be reborn for a particular reason at a particular time while Mat had to bargain with the Eefinn/Aefinn for most of his memories. The others are simply because as Moiraine says, the Old Blood is strong in the Two Rivers and Mat's is particularly strong explaining the battle cries and occasional Old Tongue occurences.
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Anubis: 2004-07-09
wolves remember a general idea of the history of wolves. i imagine that wolfbrothers would get a bit fo this aw well and wolfbrothers are a fairly significant part of the history of wolves.
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Brendan Reborn: 2004-07-09
But if channeling is tied to the soul, who's to say that speaking with wolves isn't? I firmly stand by the belief that what was "memories" tickled his mind, were memories of a past life, and maybe the barrier is weakening between the two lives, kind of like Rand's barrier only not that shattered. That also opens up a possibility that your past lives are linked in T'A'R, because Perrin does not channel, but they both (according to my theory) enter T'A'R.
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Callandor: 2004-07-09
Usually, the "memory tickling" in the back of people's heads, is them remembering a small detail from the past that can put things together for present events.
Example.
After Dumai's Wells, Perrin sees Rand point behind himself to Alanna when he selects her to Heal him. This "tickles" something in the back of Perrin's mind, but he can't remember what. What Perrin is remembering is that Warders know where there Aes Sedai are at all times, and vice versa, and can point them out from anywhere. This was shown/explained to him while traveling with Moiraine and Lan.
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mako0424: 2004-07-10
i too am very interested in why Rand hears voices, whether there real or not, whether the third voice is Moridin or not, and whether or not all channelers get these voices, or just Rand? i dont know alot, but this i do know.
When Perrin sees Elyas and says the golden eyes tickle his memory, it has nothing to do with previous lives or anything, it explains this later when Perrin realizes those golden eyes remind of a wolf. That is the whole point of the golden eye memory thing.
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Brendan Reborn: 2004-07-11
Callandor, I understand completely what your saying about his memory, but given the circumstances, it's a little different. Perrin had previous knowledge from his life about that event, whereas when he met elyas he had no idea he could talk to wolves, and he had no prior knowledge of anything elyas had said. That lead me to beleive that perrin actually had a "tickling" in his memory of a previous life of a wolfbrother. He also did not beleive that he could talk to wolves at first, so I won't give in to the arguments made that he was getting the wolves memories because they remember more, and yada yada. He didn't beleive he could talk to wolves at that time.
Oh, and to frenzy-for-tamrylin, i made a mistake. I didn't mean to implie that his memories were from a foreign source like mat, only that he got them from a previous life.
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snakes-n-foxes: 2004-07-12
Probably a dampener on the whole thing, but I don't see why Perrin should 'hear' any voices at all...
...However, like previous posts, and in answer to your original question, Perrin IS influenced by 'memories or thoughts' from a previous age...the history/memories of the wolves when they communicate with him is the entire history of wolves, not just current happenings (although the further back the memory the dimmer the memory becomes).
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dragonsceptor: 2004-07-15
So, from the other discussions around Rand's voices and Mat's memories...it seems like most people are in consensus that something (the exact something is still up for debate) breaks down the barriers between past lives. My question to you is what is breaking down the barrier between past lives for Perrin? I just don't see being a wolf brother breaking down those barriers. I see no reason to believe that there is any past life things going on here with Perrin.
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Davian93: 2004-07-15
****My question to you is what is breaking down the barrier between past lives for Perrin? I just don't see being a wolf brother breaking down those barriers. I see no reason to believe that there is any past life things going on here with Perrin. ****
Nothing. Which is exactly why Perrin isnt getting memories from past lives. He is influenced by the collective memories of all wolves, nothing more.
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Anubis: 2004-07-15
thank you snakes and foxes. Perrin has explained that wolves remember, in a vague general sort of way, the entire history of wolves. As perrin is a wolfbrother it is entirely possible that he is connected to this pool of knowledge. Also it could be the encountering of a wolfbrother which triggers his own change.
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Callandor: 2004-07-16
**Callandor, I understand completely what your saying about his memory, but given the circumstances, it's a little different.**
Really? And why is that? Perrin can't have heard of a legend about a wolfman? Or maybe a song like the Aiel know of (see CoT)?
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Anubis: 2004-07-16
could have been, could have been lots of things, it really doesnt matter, what it was not though is perrin remembering a past life
