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yrddraal, Travelling and the Ways

by saidintrue: 2004-06-17 | Not yet rated

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The old tale of Fades turning sideways and vanishing is mostly true, as we know. They have the ability to walk into shadows and reappear in a different shadow on the other side of the world, almost instantly. Now Aginor, there creator, put over a hundred of them to there deaths trying to find out how they did it. But I think that the way this works is relatively simple... well on the surface at least.

I thought at first that somehow the myrddraal where using tel'aran'rhiod to move around, but then dream walkers would find them and it wouldn't be a mystery. However I believe that in a manner they use the Ways to travel. Now I know what you're thinking, Machin Shin would kill them and it would be a stupid method but I don't mean they use the ways, but the space around them:

"As thought the opening stood alone with nothing around or behind it but the dark. He said as much with a shaky laugh but Loial took him seriously. “You could walk all the way round it, and you would not see a thing from the other side. I would not advise it, though. The books aren't very clear about what lies behind the Way gates. I think you could become lost there, and never find your way out."

EOTW p667 c44 “The dark Along The Ways”

The way gates are grown with only part of them in this world, but the rest is grown in a vacuole and this is where the myrddraal go (time for the major quote now):

“Abruptly the hand in her hair rushed her forwards, and she screamed in spite of herself. The Myrddraal meant to run her into the wall. Her hands went up for protection, and Shaidar Haran released her. She staggered at least ten steps – but her cell was not ten paces corner to corner..............

“Did you enjoy your time in the vacuole?” Moghedien felt icy fingers dig into her scalp. She was no researcher or maker but she knew that word. She did not even think to ask how a young man of this time did too. Sometimes there were bubbles in the pattern, though some like Mesaana thought that was to simple an explanation. Vacuoles could be entered if you knew how, and manipulated much like the rest of the world – researchers had often done great experiments in vacuoles, so she vaguly remembered hearing – but they were outside the pattern really, and sometimes they closed up or perhaps drifted away. Even Mesaana could not say what happened – except that anything in them at the time was gone forever.”

COS p461 c 25 “Mindtrap”

I believe that these vacuoles are the gaps in the between the pattern threads were the ways were grown, after all the ways could have been the research done, and it is possible that the myrddraal can enter these spaces and reappear in another just like if they used the ways, but it would be much faster as time and space would be irrelevant in a void.

As a side note to this theory it might also be possible that these vacuoles are were skimming takes place, the conditions are the same i.e. endless darkness

“Skimming, a process similar to travelling was occasionally used by those less adept. This method involved the use of platforms or steps in the void outside the pattern to carry a traveller from one point to another”

Quote from the BWB.

However this is idle speculation, my main theory is that the myrddraal use vacuoles to travel which are the spaces outside the pattern, where the Ways were grown.
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Tamyrlin: 2004-09-08

(Frenzy for Tamyrlin)
The only real flaw i see in this is that Aginor, who created the Trollocs and therefor the Myrddraal, was a scientist. You'd think he would know about Vacuoles, and suspect them as the method.

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Callandor: 2004-09-08

**I believe that these vacuoles are the gaps in the between the pattern threads were the ways were grown, after all the ways could have been the research done, and it is possible that the myrddraal can enter these spaces and reappear in another just like if they used the ways, but it would be much faster as time and space would be irrelevant in a void.**

If it was as simple as utilizing a vacuole, it shouldn't be too hard to find out. Moghedien was put into a vacuole, experiments carried out in them, so humans can enter and utilize them, not just Fades.

Btw, vacuoles break off from the Pattern and never return. Fade travel seems pretty solid and perfect. Skimming inside them would be even worse, since the channeler spends a long time in there, and when a vacuole breaks off, Moghedien herself says what was inside is lost forever.

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ilgross: 2004-09-09

I've my own theory about Fades and how they travel. It is currently working its way through the pile of theories here, so I won't elaborate but it uses the True Power.

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Great Lord of the Dark: 2004-09-09

I'd idly speculate that Fades move outside the pattern. But that's just wild. Your idea that the Ways, skimming space are related isn't that far-fetched. But you'd think that whatever the fades could describe to Aginor wuold be something he'd recognize, if he had seen it before. He had probably seen skimming space, but the Ways were only grown after his sealing, so maybe he never knew of its existence, and Fades do use it.

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a dragonburned fool: 2004-09-09

Problems with this theory:

1. Vacuoles are known to be temporary locations, they are not permanent transport nodes.

2. Ways are known to be built using the knowledge gained from exploring Portal Stone worlds, not knowledge from exploring vacuoles.

3. IIRC Aginor's and Semirhague tests on the ability of Myrddraals to travel took place before the LTT's strike on Shayol Ghul. Aginor just had no time for such experiments after that, he went directly to the Eye. But the Ways were first created years after the LTT strike, because they were created by the male AS, who found asylum in steddings, i.e. that happened after the LTT's strike. Therefore Myrddraals had the ability before the existance of any Ways.

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saidintrue: 2004-09-21

MM you didn't rip it to bad...im aware of the vacuole thing... kinda... but i had no other option.. so i just threw it in...my main point is the argument about the ways... yes they weren't built..but the space they were built in has always exsisted... but then how do they utilise this space if not for some sort of temopary vacuole? ah well it got some holes that need fixing..