mportant Rebirths in the Third Age
by Jalwin Moerad: 2004-08-13 | Not yet rated
I didn't see this theory anywhere else, but if it is I apoligize. Here goes:
We all have a preoccupation with determining rebirths from AOL to the Third Age. For example, Rand=Lews Therin, Elayne=Ilyena (for some), etc.
Well, it stands to reason that many of the same important figures from AOL would be reborn; in particular, I refer to Latra Posae Decume.
For those who don't know, Latra was a powerful Aes Sedai in the AOL who oppossed sealing the Bore as Lews Therin proposed. She created the Fateful Concord, wherein no female Aes Sedai would take place in the sealing if the Choedan Kal were not used. In other words, she doomed Lews and the Hundred Companions.
It is inconcievable to me that this character would NOT be reborn. Her importance to channelers everywhere means that she should show up. In addition, I think it would be really cool for her to reverse her past mistakes and to help Rand out :).
So, anyway, to the meat of the theory. Who, do I propose, is Latra reborn? I see infinite possibilities, but for current characters I choose either Verin, Setalle Anan, or Cadsuane, with a strong emphasis on Cadsuane. They have many of the same characteristics (Details on Latra are a little sketchy due to recorded information errors).
Latra was a powerful speaker, especially among Aes Sedai, whom she basically controlled as she wished. She was also stubborn, refusing to give in to Lews plan when the Choedan Kal keys were captured. All she did was try to rescue them, which failed. We never hear of her again.
Anyway, that's just my theory. Tear it apart if you wish. I'll just leave with another list of possible people who might fit (though unlikely):
Alanna
Egwene
Elaida
Vandene (very unlikely)
Min (very unlikely)
Moirane
Nynaeve (very unlikely)
Siuan
Tuon (very unlikely)
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Tamyrlin: 2004-11-10
(Frenzy for Tamyrlin)
Latra Posae Decume was, for the most part, a foil for Lews Therin. (not that Lanfear wasn't, but i digress) As of CoT the best candidates for that role are Cadsuane and Egwene.
Assuming major plot points repeat themselves over the Ages...
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Guaire Amalasan: 2004-11-10
Egwene had a dream of Rand in The Dragon Reborn that may have some connection to the theory
"Sometimes there had been glimpses of Rand, or Mat, or Perrin, and more in her own dreams without the ter'angreal, but nothing of which she could make any sense. The Seanchan, who she refused to think about. Nightmares of a Whitecloak putting Master Luhhan in the middle of a huge, toothed trap for bait. Why should Perrin have a falcon on his shoulder, and what was important about him choosing between that axe he wore now and a blacksmith's hammer? What did it mean that Mat was dicing with the Dark One, and why did he keep shouting, “I am coming!” and why did she think in the dream that he was shouting at her? And Rand. He had been sneaking through utter darkness toward Callandor, while all around him six men and five women walked, some hunting him and some ignoring him, some trying to guide him toward the shining crystal sword and some trying to stop him from reaching it, appearing not to know where he was, or only to see him in flashes. One of the men had eyes of flame, and he wanted Rand dead with a desperation she could nearly taste. She thought she knew him. Ba'alzamon. But who were the others? Rand in that dry, dusty chamber again, with those small creatures settling into his skin. Rand confronting a horde of Seanchan. *Rand confronting her, and the women with her, and one of them was a Seanchan*. It was all too confusing." (TDR: 48, Following the Craft)
maybe Egwene will oppose some plan that Rand will want to try and convince "the women with her" to oppossed Rand's plan just like Latra did to LTT (maybe the Seanchan women will be Tuon)
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Callandor: 2004-11-10
**Well, it stands to reason that many of the same important figures from AOL would be reborn; in particular, I refer to Latra Posae Decume.**
Why? The Ages do not simply repeat from 2nd to 3rd; heck from 3rd to 3rd, they are not even exact.
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ilgross: 2004-11-10
I doubt this would be the case, as their is no evidence but I reckon that Egwene would be her re-birth if anyone was.
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Jane-Sedai: 2004-11-11
I hadn't thought of this at all, but it sounds a good theory, I would think if Cadsuane was trying to fix something from a past life that she would be a bit more guilty or servile around Rand (LTT).
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Wag al Thor: 2004-11-11
Tuon is an interesting thought, but what about the Seanchan Damane, Alivia, that is supposed to have something to do with Rand's death? I think it is a much more intriguing thought to have her there at that moment with Egwene. Maybe she convinces Egwene to let Rand do his own thing when Egwene somehow had stopped him. This might lead to Rand's death, a death which would have been prevented/delayed had Egwene stood her ground. Perhaps her choice leads to Rand's death, but maybe a quicker end to evil.
Any way you look at it, I think the comment that one of them was a Seanchan is a very big hint. A hint to what is the question...
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Chrono: 2004-11-12
I'm not sure on this one, as the ages aren't just the same story re-told countless times, but if it is the case that Latra Posae Decume has been reborn, I would say that she is Egwene, because she is a good person, but has been heading the wrong way for ages, (going to Tar Valon, when she should have been helping Rand), it would fit just about, good person causes wrong, Latra Posae Decume ultimatly caused the taint by trying to do good, but without letting someone else,(Lews Therin) have spotlight/be important Egwene thinks she's doing right, but she won't swear fealty to Rand, will she?
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monkey: 2004-11-15
could it be that the seanchan woman is, and i could be wrong about the name, Alivia, the damane freed, that min forsees helping Rand die. She's exceptionally powerfull, linked to rand's fate, and seanchan.
Not sure if i'm wholly on board with the theory, but could she be a possibility?
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jaellon: 2004-11-22
One thing we see in common amongst most of the people reborn is that they always follow some element of their former lives: Lews Therin is always the Dragon Reborn; Birgitte always becomes an archer and falls in love with Gaidal Cain, who is always a soldier/warrior.
It stands to reason that if Latra were to be reborn, she would be a high-ranking Aes Sedai, if not the Amyrlin, in all of her lives.
That to me indicates either:
Egwene,
Siuan,
Elaida,
Tamra Ospenya,
OR any one of the myriad of Sitters we see throughout the series.
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Oatman: 2004-11-23
I dont think this theory is plausible. If every important person in the AoL was reborn then where are the more powerful Dreadlords, the dead Forsaken(from AoL), the 100 companions, and most importantly the person who helped Lanfear create the Bore. Surely they would be forerunners in Rebirth.
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Callandor: 2004-11-24
**One thing we see in common amongst most of the people reborn is that they always follow some element of their former lives: Lews Therin is always the Dragon Reborn; Birgitte always becomes an archer and falls in love with Gaidal Cain, who is always a soldier/warrior.**
The thing is, we do not know if that is for everyone, or ONLY for Heroes of the Horn (the later is much more likely). Then we are assuming that there are roughly 5-10 Heroes reborn at this moment.
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JamieK: 2005-10-05
this theory isnt plausible for 2 reasons.
1. a recent interview from RJ said that whilst the soul is reborn, the person its reborn into are totally different. the best example is the soul of a Nym. they get reborn too, but into human hosts as there are no more Nym.
2. no one except rand remembers a previous incarnation and certainly dont act on it. if egwene was latra, that doesnt mean her soul wants to atone or anything like that.
what evidence is there that elayne was once ilyena, other than being blonde and loving the dragon / reborn? why should she be. Avidenha and Min love him too, doesnt mean they were once his lovers in previous ages.
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Callandor: 2005-10-05
**2. no one except rand remembers a previous incarnation and certainly dont act on it. if egwene was latra, that doesnt mean her soul wants to atone or anything like that.**
To be technical, Birgitte does remember previous incarnations, but she is another rare exception. You might also consider the Forsaken remembering prior incarnations, but really it's the same life given a second chance, and not a true rebirth by the Wheel. But, all these are dramatically different from the average run of the mill person.
